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Re: Leaving China

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Post by tiny_ta »

kurthr wrote: post #22
tiny_ta wrote: post #13

It's so interesting to read this perspective since it drives home "the grass is always greener.." for me. I've lived a pretty charmed life in the US for the past few years (like the majority of HN, I imagine) but I find myself longing to move to a country with dense cities, affordable housing in the city center, great public infrastructure and a modicum of agreement among the citizens and China fits the bill pretty g…

I'd encourage you to study Mandarin for a year or so and look into what the non-influencer set is saying about China. My first trip to China was in 1999 and my last in 2019. That was a time of amazing freedom and growth. Beijing went from bicycles to cars to subways and everything was growing. It's not like that now, youth unemployment is very high, foreigners are not welcome, and you really can't imagine the politic…

Thank you for your balanced view! I will definitely learn the language and visit the place a few times before I consider moving anywhere :)

Re: Leaving China

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Post by nonethewiser »

hayst4ck wrote: post #24
xiaolingxiao wrote: post #2

Can other expats who has since left, or have decided to stay, share their experience as well?

I am not an expat, but I was considering spending several months in China. After Hong Kong, there was a strong message of "Americans caused this," likewise after covid there was a strong message of "this didn't start in China, this actually started in America." It wasn't just a message of "America is our enemy," but looking at how the People in Hong Kong were robbed of due process from an impartial justice system it…

> "this didn't start in China, this actually started in America."

How did the reasoning work here? Not sure if this speaks to poor education, propaganda, something else, or all of the above.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by tiny_ta »

askonomm wrote: post #17
tiny_ta wrote: post #13

It's so interesting to read this perspective since it drives home "the grass is always greener.." for me. I've lived a pretty charmed life in the US for the past few years (like the majority of HN, I imagine) but I find myself longing to move to a country with dense cities, affordable housing in the city center, great public infrastructure and a modicum of agreement among the citizens and China fits the bill pretty g…

This hits home for me a lot. I've lived in Spain, Argentina and Finland, all in hoping to fill whatever gap I thought it would, whether that would be life quality, weather, culture or whatever. But after the honeymoon period, the cracks started to show at every place. I'm now back in my home country, Estonia, which I (now) think is the best for me - but that creeping feeling of something better being somewhere out th…

Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm Indian and I'm on my third country I've lived in now. I'm beginning to think I should learn to be optimistic and appreciative about wherever I live than trying to find that perfect country to settle down :)

Re: Leaving China

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Post by tiny_ta »

freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #32
tiny_ta wrote: post #13

It's so interesting to read this perspective since it drives home "the grass is always greener.." for me. I've lived a pretty charmed life in the US for the past few years (like the majority of HN, I imagine) but I find myself longing to move to a country with dense cities, affordable housing in the city center, great public infrastructure and a modicum of agreement among the citizens and China fits the bill pretty g…

I've lived in China and I can tell you, you will NOT like China especially for the reasons you've stated. China has a ton of problems that aren't readily apparent unless you are feet on the ground. The majority of the culture of china is, "dog eat dog" in that you will be scammed and taken advantage of unless you speak fluent Mandarin. You will run into problems with excessive Chinese bureaucracy both with the govern…

Thank you for sharing your experience - I appreciate that a lot of my views around China (and even DACH where I've also considered moving to) may be too rosy. I will definitely visit any place a few times before I move there!

Re: Leaving China

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Post by nonethewiser »

hayst4ck wrote: post #24
xiaolingxiao wrote: post #2

Can other expats who has since left, or have decided to stay, share their experience as well?

I am not an expat, but I was considering spending several months in China. After Hong Kong, there was a strong message of "Americans caused this," likewise after covid there was a strong message of "this didn't start in China, this actually started in America." It wasn't just a message of "America is our enemy," but looking at how the People in Hong Kong were robbed of due process from an impartial justice system it…

> Another woman I met on a plane said that the people who ran the school she taught at threatened to revoke her visa trapping her in China. She said she was leaving for "vacation" but was not going to go back. She was also visibly shaken.

I know someone working as an architect in China and apparently his company holds onto his college degree. Hes concerned he won’t get it back if he doesn’t remain on good terms. I was told this is a common arrangement.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by nonethewiser »

inconceivable wrote: post #46
nonethewiser wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you see people endorsing the VCP now? Observing that they’re better than the CCP doesn’t count.

yes, i do. every serious discussion i've heard or article i've read about near-shoring and friend-shoring includes vietnam. chinese companies also operate factories in vietnam, that's another aspect people just kind of gloss over.

Again, that sounds like “better than China” and not a direct endorsement of the Vietnamese communist party. We are talking about global trade here - the proponents aren’t rooting for communism.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dEnigma »

auggierose wrote: post #40
freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in China and I can tell you, you will NOT like China especially for the reasons you've stated. China has a ton of problems that aren't readily apparent unless you are feet on the ground. The majority of the culture of china is, "dog eat dog" in that you will be scammed and taken advantage of unless you speak fluent Mandarin. You will run into problems with excessive Chinese bureaucracy both with the govern…

What is a Dach town?

A town in Germany (D for "Deutschland"), Austria (A) or Switzerland (CH).

Seems that term isn't common in English.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-A-CH

https://www.statista.com/topics/4623/dach-countries/#dossier...

Re: Leaving China

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Post by onos »

tomohelix wrote: post #4

What I find ironic is that as businesses leave China, they move into the exact same type of culture in Vietnam and India. Vietnam is basically a mini China and India is trending towards the same authoritarian regime that most people find distasteful. The entire western world is so addicted to cheap labor I don't know what would happen when there is no more cheap labor to be found. There will be a huge social disrupti…

I don’t believe the average western person would care at all if they could afford fewer cheap products. Corporate profits would certainly go down.
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