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To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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andy_ppp wrote: post #16
t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

My guess is that this study is a load of nonsense, they are probably just picking up a signal for how generally healthy a population is rather than any real difference in vaccination efficacy. We know healthy people fight the virus better, how do you effectively remove that from the fighting the virus better by vaccination? Having slept well sounds like something people who would fight COVID better anyway would do. D…

I assume it is this one. Will not post direct link.

A meta-analysis of the associations between insufficient sleep duration and antibody response to vaccination K. Spiegel, A. Rey, A. Cheylus, K. Ayling, C. Benedict, T. Lange, A. Prather, Daniel J. Taylor, M. Irwin, E. van Cauter less Published 1 March 2023 Medicine, Biology, Psychology Current Biology

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

inglor_cz wrote: post #5

People should get a good night's sleep anyway. This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early.

> This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early.

Unfortunately, societies interest in improving public health is non existent even with plenty of low cost, high reward actions that are known and proven beyond doubt.

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Post by praxulus »

t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

>Dr Spiegel says that encouraging patients to get plenty of sleep before and after a vaccination appointment is an ideal way for a medical system to maximise its vaccine stock and ensure that the benefits granted are as large as possible.

They don't limit their recommendation to only men, all patients should be encouraged to get plenty of sleep.

What on earth are you talking about?

Re: To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

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Post by moreresearchplz »

t344344 wrote: post #13
Brigand wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the data that shows the situation for women is less clear. This is good advice: when getting vaccinated make sure to get a good night sleep. Why the outrage?

Did you read the paragraph about women? It says there was too much noise in data, they could not measure positive effect of sleep! What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? Secondly I really do not like the overall tone of the article.

> What conclusions medical professional would derive from that?

More research. Which is exactly what they plead for in their paper.

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Post by favaq »

jgerrish wrote: post #17
t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

Hackernews provides a cool space on the Internet at this brief moment in time. It's wonderful randomly seeing passionate voices that are experts in their field speak up in comments. Your input is appreciated, but I hope this space doesn't help breed hatred. It's tough in today's world resisting the urge to take down others when we're suffering. But we all lose when we alienate those others who can bring intellectual…

His message, at least the way I read it, is a message of love for men. It's sad that you have seen hatred in it. Perhaps you should reflect.

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Post by is_true »

t344344 wrote: post #13
Brigand wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the data that shows the situation for women is less clear. This is good advice: when getting vaccinated make sure to get a good night sleep. Why the outrage?

Did you read the paragraph about women? It says there was too much noise in data, they could not measure positive effect of sleep! What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? Secondly I really do not like the overall tone of the article.

That's how science works. They tried to reduce uncertainty, they couldn't, now they have to try something else.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

JusticeJuice wrote: post #18
t344344 wrote: post #7

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

> That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. I am baffled how you took that away from the article. Did we read the same thing? This is what they had to say about the results for women. > As for why the results in women were not significant, Dr Spiegel and her colleagues theorise that sleep affects female response to vaccines too but that hormone interference, driv…

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormone replacement, ie they use steroids to get buff but also increasingly the concern of being low-testosterone has caused an increase of men supplementing testosterone especially when older?

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Post by aww_dang »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #28
JusticeJuice wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. I am baffled how you took that away from the article. Did we read the same thing? This is what they had to say about the results for women. > As for why the results in women were not significant, Dr Spiegel and her colleagues theorise that sleep affects female response to vaccines too but that hormone interference, driv…

Wait, hormone replacement therapies in women? I don’t understand this one. If we are referring to transgender women, I think they’re like less than 1% of the population or something so it doesn’t make sense to rule out all women for an outlier. If we are referring to menopausal women, I don’t believe hormone replacement for menopause is very popular (I heard it causes health problems??). Also don’t men also get hormo…

Perhaps it was a reference to birth control.
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