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Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#11

That sounds like a good thing. There are many people paid to write software who absolutely cannot write original code and have no idea how things actually work. A lot of that can be, and probably should be, eliminated by AI.

Those people still need to eat and pay rent so maybe we should solve that before making who knows how many millions of people jobless.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#12
Just avoid careers in software development. These are not high paying, if you factor in total time invested and spent working; and you have to waste your life away sitting in an office chasing tickets. Nothing engineery about it. It’s modern day assembly line work.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

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I would just remind everyone that this so-called intelligence is generative text editor and feeds on our creativity/content. Probably it is going to degenerate (pun intended) after feeding on stuff that it generated itself. What do you think?

They can control its diet

Yep, OpenAI know what came out of the rear end and can scrub it on the next training cycle, everyone else eats a little bit of shit.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#15
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If programmers can be replaced by AI, so can every other white collar job and humanity will look very different than what it is now. And I’ve been using ChatGPT and copilot and it’s a nice tool but nowhere near a replacement for knowing how to program.

Right now it is a kindergarten child at cognitive level, and like humans it will grow up and evolve, unless we nuke ourselves before it happens.

It's a word association machine, it's not even at kindergarten level when it comes to general cognition.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#16

If programmers can be replaced by AI, so can every other white collar job and humanity will look very different than what it is now. And I’ve been using ChatGPT and copilot and it’s a nice tool but nowhere near a replacement for knowing how to program.

This person is asking about career prospects 10-15 years out though. I'm sorry, but the landscape in then might be as alien to someone asking today, as todays would have been to someone asking 15 years ago (2008). What John said is correct, but personally I think he's underplaying how much people could be affected. Those "product skills" take years of grinding to really sharpen, and in 15 years only a few people migh…

Was the tech landscape much different 10-15 years ago? This is a genuine question; the iPhone App Store was really the last "big thing" to happen to the industry in my mind, and it came out in 2008.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#17

If programmers can be replaced by AI, so can every other white collar job and humanity will look very different than what it is now. And I’ve been using ChatGPT and copilot and it’s a nice tool but nowhere near a replacement for knowing how to program.

This person is asking about career prospects 10-15 years out though. I'm sorry, but the landscape in then might be as alien to someone asking today, as todays would have been to someone asking 15 years ago (2008). What John said is correct, but personally I think he's underplaying how much people could be affected. Those "product skills" take years of grinding to really sharpen, and in 15 years only a few people migh…

2008 wasn’t so different was it? I guess the big new thing in work since then is the “gig economy”.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#18
I wouldn't be surprised if John Carmack combines activities of product owner, game designer, and programmer. In most industry cases, programming jobs are not like this. There are dedicated positions for people who focus on delivered value and it's not programmers. So in scrum terms, he might actually be saying that programmers will be indeed obsolete, but product owners, game designers and other kinds of business analysts not.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#19

That sounds like a good thing. There are many people paid to write software who absolutely cannot write original code and have no idea how things actually work. A lot of that can be, and probably should be, eliminated by AI.

Those people still need to eat and pay rent so maybe we should solve that before making who knows how many millions of people jobless.

Then they can find employment in industries facing dire shortages like education and nursing. If the only goal is to put unqualified people into seats for a paycheck then it doesn’t matter what they do for income.

Re: Build full “product skills” and you'll probably be fine

#20

Just avoid careers in software development. These are not high paying, if you factor in total time invested and spent working; and you have to waste your life away sitting in an office chasing tickets. Nothing engineery about it. It’s modern day assembly line work.

lmao
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