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So I wonder if Putitn attends the G20, which he has done in the past, can he be arrested there ?
Maybe, but even with heads-of-state where there were less in the way of, shall we say, practical deterrents, that has been problematic to make happen (e.g., Al-Bashir of Sudan, while he was in office.)
So I wonder if Putitn attends the G20, which he has done in the past, can he be arrested there ?
Why are all posts related to Russia's war on Ukraine always immediately astroturfed to death by pro-Putin bots?
I agree. This post was on front page. By the time i tried to go back to it a few minutes later it plummeted to mid page 2.
Yes, it was on HN front page.[0]
But it seems like @dang immediately shadowed it manually.[0]
Now You may not find actual discussion scrolling even all 15 public pages of HN's "news".[1]
[0] https://twitter.com/hn_frontpage/status/1636764752759193606
It is meaningless. The only time this has any meaning is if Russia crumbles in a war, and the victor nations choose to try Putin in the ICC. A better solution to this nightmare would be Russians themselves protesting (and ceasing production) until Putin resigns - which isn't going to happen anytime soon. This is exactly why a functional democracy is so important. Bad leaders must be ejected for the sake of humanity.
Russia getting tired of Putin doesn’t require it crumbling in war.
A completely meaningless and symbolic gesture. I don't think Putin is in a hurry to surrender himself to the ICC, and nobody is going to arrest him overseas, because as a head of state he has a total diplomatic immunity. Full disclosure: I'm fully in support of Ukraine in this Russian-expansionist war. However this is just a cold hard fact. Me pointing it out in no way whatsoever even suggests that I'm pro-russian. W…
https://www.justsecurity.org/64896/why-the-iccs-judgment-in-... > Appealing the Pre-Trial Chamber’s decision last year, lawyers for Jordan argued that because al-Bashir was a head of state at the time of his visit he was immune from arrest. But in its recent ruling, ICC judges concluded “there is no Head of State immunity under customary international law vis-a-vis an international court.”
Why are all posts related to Russia's war on Ukraine always immediately astroturfed to death by pro-Putin bots?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> he has a total diplomatic immunity He doesn't, because he committed war crimes. Simple as.
Diplomatic immunity is absolute. Even committing war crimes doesn't rescind it. His diplomatic immunity will lapse once he's no longer the head of state however. EDIT: Pretty sure that they are personas-non-grata in each other's country at this point, which is a specifically described scenario in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. So no, of course Zelensky couldn't enter Russia and expect nothing to happe…
That sounds… extreme. Wikipedia lists several examples [1] where a diplomat's immunity was waived by their home country since they committed offense unrelated to their function. And the same seems to be true for head states committing war crimes, as it is unrelated to their function [2].
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity
[2]: https://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/are-international-immunities-...
An excellent starting point for dealing with heads of state initiating wars of aggression over false pretenses, and there is absolutely no reason to stop there.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Diplomatic immunity is absolute. Even committing war crimes doesn't rescind it. His diplomatic immunity will lapse once he's no longer the head of state however. EDIT: Pretty sure that they are personas-non-grata in each other's country at this point, which is a specifically described scenario in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. So no, of course Zelensky couldn't enter Russia and expect nothing to happe…
> Diplomatic immunity is absolute That sounds… extreme. Wikipedia lists several examples [1] where a diplomat's immunity was waived by their home country since they committed offense unrelated to their function. And the same seems to be true for head states committing war crimes, as it is unrelated to their function [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity [2]: https://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/are-in…