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Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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>“That language models can do these sort of things was never discussed in any literature that I’m aware of," I had previously the expectation that unpredictable emergent behavior would exist in any sufficiently complex system? Based on layman's readings in chaos and complexity theory.

Same here. I don't think it's surprising, but depending on where you say it, you'll find people insisting that this can't be possible. I think a lot of our widely held cultural beliefs on this front have been informed by academic philosophy from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. In particular, I would go do far as to say that Hubert Dreyfus, author of the book "What computers can't do" and frequent friendly adversary of Daniel…

One thing that LLMs have made me realize is just how ungrounded a lot of mainstream academic philosophy was in the 70s and 80s. For example, so much of Derrida's work centered around the impossibility of truly communicating shared meaning between individuals through language. The fact that we can now communicate so effectively (with remarkably few contextual errors and razor-sharp conveyance of intent) with an entity/technology that is not even human pretty much destroys so much of Derrida's oeuvre as false and delusionally solipsistic, basically just a silly game. He had his critics who argued the same thing, especially analytical philosophers, but they never had as much purchase as he did in the academy.

Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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There is an idea bouncing around my brain for a pipe-dream science fiction book I could write, about the rise of the first truly sentient (or sentient-appearing) AI & its effects on the world. It is beginning to get to the point where I am considering whether I need to actually start writing this book before this "sci-fi" concept becomes a mundane reality.

I’m looking forward to the “alternative history” SF novels of the future where AGI never materialized.

Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

#83

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Unlimited fully tailored netflix and steam.

The Dopamine Machine.

Sounds like TikTok or am I missing something? I'm not on social media (I guess I'm here on occasion), but it just sounds like a feed of shit to consume... Would it really be that much better than what we've got now?

Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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Can you elaborate on fundamental limits?

there is no channel for uncertainty. LLMs of this type will just start making up shit when they dont know something. because they simply generate the most probable next token based on previous x tokens. this is not fixable. this alone makes these LLMs practically unusable in vast majority of real-world applications where you would otherwise imagine this tech to be used.

The reason they seem to make things up is because they have no way to verify anything, they can only speak of things in relation to other things, but they have no epistemic framework. This is very much a fixable problem that augmentation with logic engines and a way to prioritise truth-claims could go some ways towards solving.

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I guess you perception of society is severely limited if you think a fancy autocomplete is capable of changing every aspect of it.

Funny- That’s like saying the iPhone is a nothingburger. Who would buy such thing right? Or the internet? Who’d even want a computer at home to talk to other computers. This is going to infiltrate every text-based tool. Email, social media, text. Speech and video already incoming.

I've been seeing alot of this 'nothing ever happens' attitude lately, and I find it very odd. I feel like people are using it to cope with the rapid pace of change we're experiencing.

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Well, it seems like the answer to what to do with all the useless people. Some had said drugs and video games, but I’m sure that custom VR porn dens will work too.

Give me some beer and custom porn. I will still find some time to come to HN and remember the times when programmers were useful.

You'll squabble over the refuse that the AI-owning corporate masters donate to us, and like it.

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This caught my attention as I found it implausible: > One DeepMind engineer even reported being able to convince ChatGPT that it was a Linux terminal and getting it to run some simple mathematical code to compute the first 10 prime numbers. Remarkably, it could finish the task faster than the same code running on a real Linux machine. Following the link, there's a screenshot to a screenshot [0] of a code-golf solutio…

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Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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>“That language models can do these sort of things was never discussed in any literature that I’m aware of," I had previously the expectation that unpredictable emergent behavior would exist in any sufficiently complex system? Based on layman's readings in chaos and complexity theory.

Writings on chaos and complexity theory obviously aren't talking about LLMs. Those theories are so high level that it might as well be akin to "philosophy" to the applied scientists working on LLM research.

Additionally keep in mind emergent behavior is a very rare occurrence in even the most complex software projects. I mean it's common if you count "bugs" as emergent behavior. But emergent behavior that is a feature who's origins are not completely understood? That is extremely rare.

Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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This caught my attention as I found it implausible: > One DeepMind engineer even reported being able to convince ChatGPT that it was a Linux terminal and getting it to run some simple mathematical code to compute the first 10 prime numbers. Remarkably, it could finish the task faster than the same code running on a real Linux machine. Following the link, there's a screenshot to a screenshot [0] of a code-golf solutio…

What's most interesting to me, is that this is how I would expect a human to approach the problem if presented with the code and asked for the output.

The LLM didn't run the code, it tried to predict the output based on its knowledge of python and primes.

Re: Unpredictable abilities emerging from large AI models

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Can you elaborate on fundamental limits?

I’m guessing one is data. The limit would be once you’ve trained a LLM on all public (or even private) data. Sure you can still make some improvements or try to find some additional private data but still, a fundamental limit has been reached.

I'm wondering what happens once LLMs are generating large portions of the internet. What then? It's poisoning its own well at that point.
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