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Post by jazzyjackson »

ChickenNugger wrote: post #183
jeron wrote: post #10

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real innovation would have been to spin it off as a separate streaming website that allows paywalled subscription and creating an OF competitor

They deliberately don't want that. Twitch is the top of the "marketing funnel" to onlyfans for a plethora of onlyfans streamers: https://i.imgur.com/jeOq6ek.png OF spammers have also completely ruined NSFW reddit, because the simp mods do nothing about it.

Same with instagram. I actually find it kind of shocking how obvious sex work is on twitter and instagram, it's generally frowned upon to pay for sex in the progressive circles I'm used to, but I guess on the internet we all live in San Francisco.

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Post by wil421 »

enlyth wrote: post #173
atsjie wrote: post #156

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The comments and community feeling in Youtube streaming sucks. Ludwig who made the switch a year ago from Twitch to Youtube said that was his biggest nuisance with Youtube, and I agree. I stopped watching him because of it since there's more fun to be had on Twitch. Twitch is more like a bunch of monkeys which is fun and builds hype. Youtube is too serious and the chat is too slow for the streamer to properly interac…

Something about Twitch chat is magical, even though it is commonly just walls of copypasta, it feels like participating in a real, authentic audience. Often times it is more entertaining that the stream itself, just like on HN you would rush to the comments before even reading TFA to see what other people are saying. I can't quite pinpoint why YouTube doesn't have the same feeling though.

It feels like teen chat rooms on AOL with more flair. Except I don’t remember the hordes ganging up on and harassing people on AOL.

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Post by starkparker »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #82
duxup wrote: post #13

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Is ANY platform in a position to treat creators well? I hear nothing but complaints from everywhere. I wonder if it is possible to treat creators well…? Are creators even worth much on average considering the volume of people willing to just grind out content continuously without much regard to … themselves? It seems to be an endless search for more subscribers, more views, more patrons of some type, more questionabl…

Maybe I missed it, but Wordpress seemed to handle creators really well. I've been saying for a while that the next big thing in streaming is Wordpress but for Streamers. Something relatively easy for small streamers to set up and manage on their own, cheap enough to start small and scale up as it starts to make money, with the ability to handle large-scale streams if necessary. I don't know how you would handle provi…

> Something relatively easy for small streamers to set up and manage on their own, cheap enough to start small and scale up as it starts to make money, with the ability to handle large-scale streams if necessary.

Self-hosted social networks and microblogs are all over the place and have been for decades, and Twitter is falling apart, but the audience is still on Twitter. Self-hosting streams has never been easier, but even if it were one-click it invariably costs money out of pocket for the bandwidth to self-host a stream, and Twitch does not. WordPress is trivial to host for nearly nothing; streaming, not so much.

The appeal of Twitch isn't livestreaming, it's the culture and existing social network of users and streamers who are already there, and the ease of starting up. The architecture or centralization of the next big thing in the space won't matter, it's whether both the creators, audience, and money will all show up at roughly the same time.

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Post by corobo »

jklinger410 wrote: post #172
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

> but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes This is basically how Television used to operate. I think it was more like, 4 ads every 15 minutes. So way more actually.

Yeah and we ditched TV for YouTube and Twitch!

It's definitely about time for a new long form media company.. maybe one that doesn't sell itself to Microsoft

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Post by wpm »

nemothekid wrote: post #126
minimaxir wrote: post #2

What has Twitch actually done new business-wise in the past 5-6 years? Every typical user still uses the same StreamLabs widgets and alerts for years without many new ones, and most of the streaming workflow improvements are upstream in OBS itself. I honestly pegged things like Twitch Plays Pokemon back in 2014 would be the future of Twitch, and Twitch did allow some developer tools for interactivity between players…

> I honestly pegged things like Twitch Plays Pokemon back in 2014 Most of the comments on Twitch strike me as pretty weird. If I look at Twitch their problem is that, as a business, they never really broke out of their gaming niche. It's strange to suggest that Twitch should have catered more to the audience that they had already captured. Not to say that there's anything wrong with that, but for a company that took…

Gaming niche? "Just Chatting" is far and away the most popular category right now; ~100K more viewers than GTA V (most of which is GTA:O and RPing).

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Post by bawolff »

mrguyorama wrote: post #153
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

Twitch will never stop the softcore porn because it's a huge source of revenue and they DGAF that they are serving softcore porn to teens. Honestly I don't care that teens watch cammers or porn, but it's toxic to the platform to have it share the same site, and that also allows payment to be shared and basically makes it way easier for kids to pay cammers, which is super weird IMO. I also really dislike the encourage…

> I also really dislike the encouragement of parasocial relationships on the platform

Isn't that the entire value proposition of twitch?

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Post by corobo »

unity1001 wrote: post #22
Avicebron wrote: post #11

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I think that part of what limits what creators can do on twitch comes down to what the advertisers are willing to put up with, it's likely more that advertisers are leaning on twitch who are then leaning on creators, vs just twitch leaning on creators. As for kick, they seem to be actively ignoring/rejecting these limitations (potentially because they at least partly externally funded by stake (online gambling platfo…

> what creators can do on twitch comes down to what the advertisers are willing to put up with Eh. Then those advertisers will have to create the content from now on...

They are. Brands are starting to stream directly. Game companies especially.

If not streaming directly, they're in channels where the streamer is playing their game. They'll give out DLC codes so that the streamer plays the game longer and the game studio makes a mint off the back of the viewers. Content created.

A 20 quid DLC key gifted to the streamer will buy you an hour long gameplay ad easily, usually way longer.

There's so many streamers out there they just sort by view count and cherry pick the brand safe ones. They don't need to change their criteria.

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Post by Jensson »

philwelch wrote: post #131
vkou wrote: post #61

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It also doesn't not want to get into it, because it could have banned hot tub streams, but chose to quarantine them instead. As sibling posts explained - it wants to be in a one-foot-in-one-foot-out sort of position on the question.

Maybe I’m missing something about “hot tub streams”, but cute girls in bathing suits sitting in a hot tub doesn’t quite meet my definition of “adult content”. It might be unhealthy parasocial content for lonely boys, but it’s not porn.

They are porn ads, those girls makes their money on only fans and they stream to get guys to pay them for porn.

You can see this for example, she isn't allowed to pay for normal ads since most networks doesn't allow porn ads, but streaming is a way for her to advertise:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amouranth-reveals-her-on...

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Post by [deleted] »

atsjie wrote: post #154
skilled wrote: post #83

I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

To countercomment: - Softcore porn (I would not call it porn at all, search online for softcore porn and you get something completely different). You don't have to watch it and I never see it in my feeds, you have to actively search for it to find it. So I'm wondering how you notice it for it to be a problem? Yes; I'm calling you out. - Ads: youtube has a LOT more ads, and a lot of twitch streamers don't do the ad pr…

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Post by luckylion »

keiferski wrote: post #150
Arainach wrote: post #91

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Could you give an example of someone who was making significant money (preferably by YT/Twitch standards but any example is good) on WordPress?

A sizable portion of the entire internet is running WordPress. That’s billions of dollars a year.

They're running the Software, but they're not on wordpress.com.

If we're talking about Software, then wow, Microsoft is really treating those game streamers well, because they can use it to play games which they stream.

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