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Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Moving all the thirst traps to a "hot tubs" channel was pretty innovative. https://www.pcgamer.com/twitch-addresses-hot-tub-streaming-c...

real innovation would have been to spin it off as a separate streaming website that allows paywalled subscription and creating an OF competitor

I'm not sure how creating a more limited product (than OF), and reducing twitch viewership, would be innovative.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

5 ads every 1/2 hour? Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

> Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

Funnily that's exactly what everyone is doing[1].

[1] https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/linear-video-subscriber-lo...

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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> This is the event that still required everyone to wear a mask late 2022 only after Twitch was guilted into it. Oh no, they bowed to people whose livelihoods depend on staying healthy and realized that masks actually do help when everyone wears them.

Hell, I kinda wish we'd kept it up everywhere. Not having anyone in my house get so much as the flu for about 2.5 years was kinda awesome. I think we had a single mild cold go through our house, that entire time.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

The UX for Twitch is downright awful right now. Browsing through multiple streamers almost always results in an ad being played for every streamer you check out, it's so bizarre, they actively punish you for trying out new streamers unless they're very small who don't have ads yet.

The workaround is to 'pre-browse' by opening multiple streamers in new tabs, muting their tabs and then checking them out a minute or two later, but that's quite a PITA.

Twitch could disappear today and I don't think I'd care, I couldn't say the same thing five or ten years ago.

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Indeed, browsing Kick right now shows gambling is the biggest category by far with 42k viewers. Chat streams are second with 6k viewers, and the most viewed (non-gambling) game has a mere 1.6k viewers. I can't imagine why anyone would stream games on there unless they're banned from Twitch.

Not knowing, understanding or having any experience of the "streaming" community of the internet. What is the purpose/fun with watching someone not just gamble as in playing poker or whatever for money, but slots specifically? Feels like watching someone rolling a dice by themselves, but with fancier graphics.

People get a second hand buzz when they see people win and the streamer will react in a way that gets people excited. This naturally leads to playing slots yourself and feeling like you are part of a community. It's incredibly lucrative for gambling sites.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

5 ads every 1/2 hour? Stay away from tv you see 5 ads every 10 minutes.

Have you seen YouTube ads lately? When I stream a video to the "app" on my TV, I get 1 minute 30 seconds of ads at the beginning. Then about 1:20 into the video, I get 2 more 30 second ads. Then at 3:00 into the video, 2 more ads come on. Sometimes there are more ads than content. Ads come on literally less than 5 minute intervals, and the part that really drives me nuts is that it's always the same 2 ads over and over. There are even ads that are 5 minutes long. So far at least, I haven't seen a 5 minute ad that I can't skip.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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One thing I have noticed with twitch is how stagnant viewership seems to be for most streamers. It seems like once you hit your peak in growth.... there is just nothing after that, no growth at all. Most streamers I watch have been on a slow decline in viewership and subs... Without "oilers" (people who gift a ton of subs or money) most streams would die completely. One main reason for this in my opinion is how terri…

E sports is heavily investor dependent. Which means rates go up and itll dry up. I would be really surprised if any of it directly generated a profit. Its for game sales long term.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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Maybe I missed it, but Wordpress seemed to handle creators really well. I've been saying for a while that the next big thing in streaming is Wordpress but for Streamers. Something relatively easy for small streamers to set up and manage on their own, cheap enough to start small and scale up as it starts to make money, with the ability to handle large-scale streams if necessary. I don't know how you would handle provi…

Could you give an example of someone who was making significant money (preferably by YT/Twitch standards but any example is good) on WordPress?

This is a red herring.

I don't think WordPress pays anyone anything.

They built a platform and the will also provide hosting. You can download WordPress from wordpress.org and just run it. Or you can go to wordpress.com and buy a whole hosting plan where wordpress.com manages the software for you.

But WordPress doesn't give fuck number one about what you do with it. So you are free to monetize it in any fashion you want. They'll even help you with that. WordPress doesn't have to worry about if any of the people on their site are making money because they still get paid.

Twitch and YouTube are free for creators. You don't have to pay to stream on Twitch or to post videos to YouTube. All the cost of hosting and serving is borne by the service. Which is why they were doing ads in the first place. But with creators now needing actual production, they realized they were pouring in serious money into their channels, but getting none of that sweet ad money.

So shit got complicated. It's free to post and free to watch. But that doesn't make it free to host or produce. Which is why you have YouTube showing you ads and the video itself being sponsored by AG1, Dollar Shave Club, and Mystery Box of the Month Club.

I think ultimately, these places are going to need to charge for hosting. And yes, that's going to kill a lot of channels. But ok. You can afford overpriced, under-engineered rainbow glowy keyboards, you can instead put that towards a $30/month hosting fee.

Re: Twitch CEO Emmett Shear is resigning

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I've been a Twitch user since its first year. I have a select few streamers I watch, and I spend more time on the platform when there are new releases for games I personally like. But, I have been very in-tune with Twitch culture and I know how disorganized it is when it comes to "big" streamers. However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is: - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally,…

The big issue with ads is that only 'partners' are allowed to turn off pre-roll ads, and in order to become a partner you need meet certain requirements all based around getting people to watch your channel, which is difficult because most people (me include) will not sit through ads in order to watch some small streamer for a minute or two to see if they are interesting. Twitch seems to actively work against small streamers trying to grow their brand.
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