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What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by scarface74 »

walterbell wrote: post #103
scarface74 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just said the opposite. Restaurants apps do not pay 30% even when going through the App Store. It’s a physical good and even if they do accept Apple Pay, they get charged standard credit card processing fees - $0.25 + 2-3% of the amount. I said they do not use GrubHub. They have their own system run as SaaS. The company they use takes care of the POS system, merchant accounts, and a white labeled app just for their…

Are customers willing to download a new app for each restaurant? Does the SaaS/POS company let customers use one app and "install/subscribe" to each restaurant as needed?

They also offer a white labeled website. Once you have a website, creating an “app” that’s just a web view that provides notifications for delivery and or when your table is ready is relatively easy. Of course it’s more about branding than anything else. They can also just send text messages

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by gabanutrition »

sasas wrote: post #108

TLDR; purchase an device that pairs with your phone, follow a hunch that it's doing a lot more then what it advertises it does. A week ago I purchased a bluetooth device that takes some measurements. You require an Android or iOS application. The first thing the iOS app did was request permission for your location. Immediate fired up MITMproxy [1] running in transparent `--mode wireguard` and installed it's certifica…

This topic is intriguing. Could you please provide more information about the device and application? I'd appreciate the opportunity to examine them more thoroughly.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by kramerger »

scarface74 wrote: post #68
cyberbanjo wrote: post #16

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TFA: We focus on Android-based spyware because most of the mobile spyware market appears to be focused there. Since curated app stores like Google Play do not permit the sale of such apps, in practice they must be side-loaded off-store, a process that Apple does not support. As a result, consumer mobile spyware only operates on “rooted” iPhones. Rooting an iPhone can be a technically involved operation (one popular g…

And you think the Google Play Store (or the App Store) for that matter could even know what apps are doing? With iOS, the protection comes from its tighter permissions model and sandboxing

Are those two really significantly different in sandboxing and permission model?

Should also point out that neither app store is perfect and both have let malicious app slip through. Thanks to the Epic lawsuit we also know that they have tried to hide major incidents ( as in 500M installs of potential malware) from consumers.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by Schroedingersat »

scarface74 wrote: post #57
walterbell wrote: post #45

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> talking to a person to order takeaway Also supports small business by saving them double-digit app fees!

I know a couple of small restaurant owners. Even ones that don’t go through UberEats or GrubHub that use SaaS restaurant software that also come with a white labeled restaurant specific app that accepts Apple Pay (standard credit card fees - not 30%) and other payment methods. They actually prefer it.

Middleman feudal tax garbage always seems great at first.

In an abusive relationship that part is called the honeymoon period. The goals, the mindset of the perpetrator, and the end results are the same.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by kramerger »

lisasays wrote: post #64

So what do people recommend for malware detection (at whatever degree of efficacy) on Androids these days? Yes I know what search engines are, but I'd appreciate curated / personal recommendations, please.

Nothing.

Anyone recommending antivirus apps for your android is clueless and/or after your money.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by teddyh »

mjfl wrote: post #110
teddyh wrote: post #98

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Your quoting of certain words seem odd. https://prestersperspective.blogspot.com/p/schizophrenia-ran...

It's because he was using sarcasm, which you failed to detect.

I probably failed because the quoted words were not actually quotes. I could understand a word like “value” being quoted sarcastically without a specific quote in mind, but the quoting of many other words and phrases were mystifying.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by sasas »

gabanutrition wrote: post #112
sasas wrote: post #108

TLDR; purchase an device that pairs with your phone, follow a hunch that it's doing a lot more then what it advertises it does. A week ago I purchased a bluetooth device that takes some measurements. You require an Android or iOS application. The first thing the iOS app did was request permission for your location. Immediate fired up MITMproxy [1] running in transparent `--mode wireguard` and installed it's certifica…

This topic is intriguing. Could you please provide more information about the device and application? I'd appreciate the opportunity to examine them more thoroughly.

Sure! feel free to reach out direct; contact details in my HN profile.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by scarface74 »

kramerger wrote: post #113
scarface74 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you think the Google Play Store (or the App Store) for that matter could even know what apps are doing? With iOS, the protection comes from its tighter permissions model and sandboxing

Are those two really significantly different in sandboxing and permission model? Should also point out that neither app store is perfect and both have let malicious app slip through. Thanks to the Epic lawsuit we also know that they have tried to hide major incidents ( as in 500M installs of potential malware) from consumers.

Yes, there is no API on iOS that allows most of the things listed in the article that apps can use even it tried to use non documented APIs.

> After installation, they covertly record the victim’s device activities — including any text messages, emails, photos, or voice calls — and allow abusers to remotely review this information through a web portal

And the “malware” that was installed was because people were using hacked XCode versions that didn’t come from Apple and they still didn’t escape the sandbox.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by sizzle »

zw123456 wrote: post #36
jtbayly wrote: post #22

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Were the two of you ever in physical proximity?

Yeah, I replied in the thread earlier, I suspect he saw me put my pin in. But at the time it happened he was on the other side of town.

Change your pin and see if he added his fingerprint or Face ID to unlock then dump them for being a privacy invading friend

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by sizzle »

sasas wrote: post #108

TLDR; purchase an device that pairs with your phone, follow a hunch that it's doing a lot more then what it advertises it does. A week ago I purchased a bluetooth device that takes some measurements. You require an Android or iOS application. The first thing the iOS app did was request permission for your location. Immediate fired up MITMproxy [1] running in transparent `--mode wireguard` and installed it's certifica…

Wow amazing write up, start a consultancy and start charging to audit the privacy of apps, imagine getting paid to do this on every App Store update of Tik Tok and the like for agencies or companies auditing their apps, etc.

You are really talented, now get paid for it or open source some automated tools for getting the trail to see behind the curtain for these apps that force you to enable permissions to use them.

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