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Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by temporary22 »

throwawaysalome wrote: post #112
jgalt212 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?

Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.

And this is NOT self evident boilerplate. It's quite the opposite, and I do not believe any company would get a product out without reviewing the T&C.

So, the terms were at least approved by some, and are now being revised because somebody pointed the problems out in a public forum.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

rcme wrote: post #42
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like if Ubuntu locked you in a jail Only windows is worse

I guess I was hoping for a more concrete example.

specifically the weird discrepancy when porting anything there, the lack of bootcamp support (used to be a thing). just feels kinda like iOS on the desktop give all of the restrictions. The universal codesigning and difficulty with making macos/ios apps unless you have a developer account and pay $100 is also a slap in the face.

just gives off an unprofessional vibe.

but to be honest I would never use windows for development either unless I'm only using WSL2

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by TremendousJudge »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #129
TremendousJudge wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so angry about Atom, I haven't been able to move on. I'm using Pulsar out of spite. I'd like to move to emacs (for all its faults, it will never do what Atom did) but I can't be arsed to learn to configure it so it works exactly the way I want it to. I don't have the energy to learn an entirely new tool, I don't know what to do.

I used to be a big Atom fan, made a PR for them, my whole end-of-school project was an Atom plugin... but then one day I bit the bullet and tried VsCode and, then I never looked back. Everything that Atom did, VsCode does better. The theming is different, the extensions are slightly different, but otherwise it's just incredibly good. I get why they shuttered Atom after a while.

Yeah but it's made by Microsoft. I knew they were going to kill Atom the day of the Github acquisition. Right now vscode is good, but I have no guarantees that in 5 years they won't pull an asshole move and I'll have to go through all of this again. In fact, depending on who you ask, it's already happening with the C# extension[1], and nothing promises me that the same won't happen with other parts of the editor.

[1] https://github.com/omnisharp/omnisharp-vscode/issues/5276

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by adam_arthur »

maxbrunsfeld wrote: post #16
activitypea wrote: post #3

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No clue, I'm not affiliated with the devs in any way, I've just been very excited about it since one of the devs tweeted this: https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 However, my first impressions of the keyboard navigation aren't great :(

What forms of keyboard navigation are you missing? We try to make sure everything is controllable from the keyboard.

I couldn't find a way to show/hide various panels. e.g. line numbers, the bars with the () arrows etc.

Would be great to allow toggling visibility of each of these pieces via an action to maximize screen real estate. Really annoying in VSCode that they force you to go into settings for some of the visibility toggles. Of course, didn't spend very long investigating.

Also after selecting VSCode keybindings, CMD+\ does not split the editor as it does in VSCode. Seems like a bug

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by topaz0 »

vlunkr wrote: post #67
topaz0 wrote: post #53

When I clicked I had the vague sense that I had seen "code at the speed of thought" elsewhere, and a quick google showed that it's a pretty common thing for people to claim, especially about editors or related features. Maybe not the best choice of motto.

There's a popular book on vim titled "Practical Vim: Edit Text at the Speed of Thought."

Yeah a lot of them are vim-related one way or another. Not just that book but lots of blog posts etc.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by zamalek »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #119
zamalek wrote: post #82

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Don't forget the first-party container runtime. Even Windows has one (or, er, three?). I am mostly responsible for maintaining our local development stack scripts, and Colima (to be clear, a heroic project) and MacOS are a continuous source of problems (full time problems when M1 first launched, down to at least 2-3 issues a month). I was helping a coworker with getting scripts working on Windows/WSL and how much eff…

For lack of a better term, I've been a full-stack programmer for 27 years. I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years. I've run MacOS for about 8 now. And, always, Windows, of course, because companies . I've developed extensively for PHP, VB, C, ASP, VB.NET, C#, some Python, a tiny bit of Java, and (my fave) Ruby on Rails. My main projects of the last 10 years use a large C# program which I compile to run on Mac, Linux…

> When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM.

I mean, sure, that's great for you. Maybe you've just never visited a block where you can't reasonably use a VM to replace containers, such as a good amount of shops where local environments approximate production (i.e. containers).

> I just installed Docker desktop last week

All I can say is, "good luck!" DD is by far the worst container runtime for MacOS.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by sargstuff »

dheera wrote: post #15

I'm really looking for a lighter-weight GUI editor. Too many random shortcut keys to memorize in Atom, and VS code is getting wayyyy to bloated. It always has an annoying welcome message at startup, annoying notifications about things I could install, and way too much text in the UI. I don't like settings and other dialogs being tabs alongside code, even though I know it hip to do that nowadays. I search for 'ssh plu…

So define the random shortcut keys via GPT-3 & and use 'text to speech' to automate 'visual cues' using ar glasses[0] to avoid all the memorization?

ar/vr glasses instead of Inkbox[1]/pierader[2] would make for 'ligher' gui.

[0] Open source smart glasses : https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlass...

[1] : https://github.com/Kobo-InkBox/inkbox

[2] : https://gitlab.com/guyjeangilles/piereader

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #133
PoignardAzur wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be a big Atom fan, made a PR for them, my whole end-of-school project was an Atom plugin... but then one day I bit the bullet and tried VsCode and, then I never looked back. Everything that Atom did, VsCode does better. The theming is different, the extensions are slightly different, but otherwise it's just incredibly good. I get why they shuttered Atom after a while.

Yeah but it's made by Microsoft. I knew they were going to kill Atom the day of the Github acquisition. Right now vscode is good, but I have no guarantees that in 5 years they won't pull an asshole move and I'll have to go through all of this again. In fact, depending on who you ask, it's already happening with the C# extension[1], and nothing promises me that the same won't happen with other parts of the editor. [1]…

I know you wrote about emacs in your other post. If you are looking for something that doesn't change, try emacs (1985), vi/vim (1978), or sublime (2008). Microsoft's Visual Studio has been around since 1997, so Visual Code has a more likely chance of longevity in my opinion.
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