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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. Instead it has a multi-million dollar company behind it, and VC's who demand profits from a thing that shouldn't have ever had a business plan.

It seems like another symptom of zirp/cheap money. Lots of ideas that could have been a neat feature or tool somehow ended up raising $500M of funding with no viable plan on ever monetizing. The fact that the product is successful but after a decade they barely make $50M/year of revenue against $500M of lifetime funding is crazy. As a user, you can work at a company with a billion in revenue and barely owe them a few…

Do you also mean things like Uber? with double digit $B lost with no road to be profitable? I agree.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Come on, 30 days notice is a walk in the park. Additionally, OP was the one complaining that changing a few URLs and eventually spinning up a new server. It's quite literally a one day or two job, unless you're at a company the size of Amazon (in which case, luckily for you, you're not the only SRE, so it's still just a few days). > The best I can come up with, at the moment, is waiting for each organization to make…

What if you already have important planned and unplanned urgent work occupying all your SRE'S for the month? On a team or org that's already running thin? Surely you've been there.

I have. And it was also my job to say to management "hey, there's a very preoccupying fire right there, and it will delay this less important thing. If you're unhappy about it, send me an email explicitly telling me drop the very preoccupying fire."

"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth" also applies to tech.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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>The dev model of "we've lost track of our dependencies so ship Ubuntu and a load of state" never sat well. This was my first thought when I learned of Docker. I have a hard time calling myself an 'Engineer' when there are so many unknowns, that I'm merely playing around until something works. I insist on being called a Programmer. It pays better than 'real' engineering. Why not embrace it? (Credit toward safety crit…

Developer/Programmer/Engineer titles are mostly meaningless because they mean different things at different companies. You can go wayback and call yourself a coder.

what's old is new again. the teenagers nowadays call themselves "coders" because "programmer" is for old people.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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As someone who's been bitten by this, I'm not sure if it's an issue with podman itself as much as the tools which expect docker. It could be argued that podman is not a docker drop-in replacement, but I expect more and more tools to pick it up.

Is this a matter of developers constantly relearning the lesson of the folly of only supporting the current top thing, or is it a lot harder to support more than one?

The devil is in the details. For example, docker has a DNS service at 127.0.0.11 it injects into /etc/resolv.conf, while podman injects domain names of your network into /etc/hosts. Nginx requires a real DNS service for its `resolver` configuration.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Replying to child I can't reply to? There was a period where the US was treating public key encryption like arms exports, and involved in spreading the technology outside the US as tools were in us.govs sht list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann After a report from RSA Security, who were in a licensing dispute with regard to the use of the RSA algorithm in PGP, the United States Customs Service started a criminal investigation of Zimmermann, for allegedly violating the Arms Export Control Act.[5] The United States Government had long regarded cryptographic software as a munition, and thus subject to arms traffick…

Because he was competing with a private military contractor, and the US government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the MIC: or often acts like it is. Customs should have told RSA "no", "this is a private contract dispute", "hire a lawyer and file suit". Of course it was much more than that. Zimmerman put real privacy protecting encryption in the hands of the public, and the Many Eyes (that included state allies and adversaries) couldn't have that. But they needn't have worried: decades on the public is still ignorant about encryption, except as a marketing term, and most have no idea what a key pair is or what to do with it. Fraud around unauthorized access to government and commercial accounts is rampant (you _have_ set up and secured your online identity on your government's social security and revenue collection sites, haven't you?). That could have been prevented by early adoption and distribution of key pairs, alongside a serious public education campaign. Problem is, that would be at cross purposes with the goal of keeping the public uneducatable. Better for them to while away their time watching cable TV or delving into the latest conspiracy theory (pro or con).

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

Can't comment specifically on this or that "dying company", but it is a bit disappointing that after, how many, four decades of open source? and the obvious utility of that paradigm, it still seems a major challenge to build sustainable open source ecosystems. This means we can't really move on and imagine grander things that might build on top of each other. Its not clear if that is due to: i) competition from propr…

It's because the incentives to make money quickly end up being stronger than incentives to build a sustainable open source ecosystems.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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1. I just started teaching myself Docker for my home server. How will this affect me? 2. What is a good alternative to Docker? Thanks!

1. You probably won't be able to pull some of the images any longer and need to find an alternative host (ghcr.io instead of hub.docker.io for example)

2. Podman

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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It should use DHT/BitTorrent. Organizations could share magnet links to the official images. OS projects have been doing it for years with ISOs.

BitTorrent will solve the distribution problem but not magically provide more storage. Someone still has to foot the bill for storing gigabytes (or terabytes) worth of docker images.

It should probably work like ipfs, with pinning services. You can pin (provide a server that stores and shares the contents) yourself, or pay for a commercial pinning service (or get one from an OSS-friendly org, etc).
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