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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by prottog »

derefr wrote: post #240

Question for the audience: if Hetzner's highest-specced bare-metal servers would work great for my use-case, except that my customers are mostly in America and my service is realtime-ish enough that I need a low-latency RTT to them, then what's the next best option? What's the "Hetzner of North America"? (I know Hetzner has US datacenters, but they don't do any dedicated hosting there AFAIK, only cloud hosting.) Pers…

OVH also has US East Coast and West Coast datacenters, so you can get a little closer to your customers if you need the latency. Though in my experience, support isn't great for any of the OVH affiliated companies.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by danjac »

Nextgrid wrote: post #142
latch wrote: post #54

tl;dr Mini rant (pro dedicated, anti-cloud) Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger…

> Do [...] your career [...] a favor, and at least be aware of a few things. [emphasis mine] Doing your career a favor is how we ended up in this situation in the first place. The tech industry had way too much free money floating around that there was never any market pressure to operate profitably, so complexity increased to fill the available resources. This has now gone on long enough that there are now entire ca…

SVB offered a perk of free AWS and Google Cloud credits to new startup clients, so even more "free money" to entrench the startup ecosystem in the cloud.

https://www.svb.com/account/startup-banking-offers

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by lclc »

tinco wrote: post #89
lclc wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Hetzner for our CI setup with GitLab-runners. With a simple cloud.init script, it's cheap and I have nearly 0 maintenance: https://gitlab.com/21analytics/gitlab-runner-cloud-init

Same, only maintenance is that it runs out of disk space every once in a while. Have a cron script that does various docker pruning tasks now, so it's become fewer and farther in between very time I discover a new leak.

I had the same issue so I made the cloud-init script create a systemd service that does the docker cleaning.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by mythz »

derefr wrote: post #240

Question for the audience: if Hetzner's highest-specced bare-metal servers would work great for my use-case, except that my customers are mostly in America and my service is realtime-ish enough that I need a low-latency RTT to them, then what's the next best option? What's the "Hetzner of North America"? (I know Hetzner has US datacenters, but they don't do any dedicated hosting there AFAIK, only cloud hosting.) Pers…

We've just finished migrating from Hetzner's dedicated servers in Germany to their Cloud US VM's for improved latency. You don't get the same raw performance as their dedicated servers, but they're VMs are still good performers that still ended up being the best value US cloud provider we found [1]

[1] https://servicestack.net/blog/finding-best-us-value-cloud-pr...

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by gregoriol »

adql wrote: post #129
gregoriol wrote: post #35

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I don't know about Hetzner but my experience with OVH on dedicated servers and failures is like this: they detect when the server is down, mainly when it's off or doesn't ping, and then they try to boot on their debug distribution and perform some checks on the machine. They don't monitor other health issues however (how would they since you are running your own system?) and therefore don't do anything before they de…

Technically stuff like overheating they could monitor via IPMI (which they most likely use for OOB control anyway)

The thing is, it physically wasn't overheating because there was a process on the system (intel/ubuntu) that was hugely throttling the CPU to make it not overheat. So the machine was almost useless, very slow, but the temperature was ok. When the throttling mechanism was disabled, it indeed overheated. It's only because of those throttling system processes that I found out about the physical problem.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by LoganDark »

prottog wrote: post #241
derefr wrote: post #240

Question for the audience: if Hetzner's highest-specced bare-metal servers would work great for my use-case, except that my customers are mostly in America and my service is realtime-ish enough that I need a low-latency RTT to them, then what's the next best option? What's the "Hetzner of North America"? (I know Hetzner has US datacenters, but they don't do any dedicated hosting there AFAIK, only cloud hosting.) Pers…

OVH also has US East Coast and West Coast datacenters, so you can get a little closer to your customers if you need the latency. Though in my experience, support isn't great for any of the OVH affiliated companies.

> support isn't great for any of the OVH affiliated companies

Also they'll run off with your money if you can't provide an ID after you've already paid. No service but no refunds either.

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by derefr »

mythz wrote: post #244
derefr wrote: post #240

Question for the audience: if Hetzner's highest-specced bare-metal servers would work great for my use-case, except that my customers are mostly in America and my service is realtime-ish enough that I need a low-latency RTT to them, then what's the next best option? What's the "Hetzner of North America"? (I know Hetzner has US datacenters, but they don't do any dedicated hosting there AFAIK, only cloud hosting.) Pers…

We've just finished migrating from Hetzner's dedicated servers in Germany to their Cloud US VM's for improved latency. You don't get the same raw performance as their dedicated servers, but they're VMs are still good performers that still ended up being the best value US cloud provider we found [1] [1] https://servicestack.net/blog/finding-best-us-value-cloud-pr...

I'll be sure to take a look, but we're really depending on the "high-spec" part as well as the "low RTT" part. IIRC Hetzner's cloud offerings only go up to 48vCPU+192GB memory+1TB disk, all of which are well below our needs.

We're currently using these at OVH: https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ca/bare-metal/high-grade/hgr-hci... — and we really need the cores, the memory, the bandwidth, and the huge gobs of direct-attached NVMe. (We do highly-concurrent realtime analytics; these machines run DBs that each host thousands of concurrent multi-second OLAP queries against multi-TB datasets, with basically zero temporal locality between queries. It'd actually be a perfect use-case for a huge honking NUMA mainframe with "IO accelerator" cards, but there isn't an efficient market for mainframes—so they're not actually price-optimal here compared to a bunch of replicated DB shards running on commodity hardware.)

Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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Post by [deleted] »

wkat4242 wrote: post #194
bombcar wrote: post #186

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I wonder what percentage of AWS are just EC2 instances that run as a simple VM. I know I’ve never used more than that.

This is how my employer, a large enterprise, uses 'cloud'. They just picked up all the server boxes and virtualized them in AWS. Obviously it costs a lot more now and there's no benefits like flexibility because the configuration is all static. I know cloud can make sense but not like this.

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Re: Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers

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nmjohn wrote: post #236
izacus wrote: post #229

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Yeah, turns out that if you write code for constant intermittent failures, it'll run well for rare intermittent failures of Hetzner machines too.

With AWS - failure means the instance is automatically retired, and your ASG causes a new instance to automatically be created and put in service without you having to do anything. With hetzner - failure means your monitoring detected disk failure, sent you a pagerduty alert, which you then have to check the alert, figure out what has failed, and send in a support ticket to get the disk replaced. This will take a cou…

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