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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by girvo »

taspeotis wrote: post #27
lloydatkinson wrote: post #24

Is there any progress on podman for Windows or any other way of running containers on Windows? I cannot wait for the day the development community doesn't need to rely on anything from this company.

I use podman and it works fine? Podman Desktop runs podman machine for me at startup. Containers set to restart automatically don’t restart across podman machine restarts but that hasn’t upset my workflow much (at all?). I just start containers as I need them.

I wonder if VSCode’s Remote Container stuff works with Podamn on windows. The Docker Desktop + VSCode + Remote Container Dev + the ESP-IDF tooling is the nicest way to do production ESP32 dev with multiple ESP-IDF version (and even without that is just much simpler to get up and running on Windows, despite the rube Goldberg machine-esque description of it)

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Post by jacooper »

spicyusername wrote: post #35
jon-wood wrote: post #13

Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Its not as easy nor as simple as docker + docker compose.

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Post by regularfry »

quaintdev wrote: post #45
spicyusername wrote: post #35

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ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Podman is great and is first class citizen on Fedora. It also integrates nicely with SystemD. My only gripe with it is not many developers provide podman configuration on their install pages like they do with docker compose

I'm using docker-compose with a podman VM for development on a mac. Works ok so far. It wasn't quite slick enough when Docker pulled the licence switch last year, but the experience in the last couple of months has been pretty painless.

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Post by girvo »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #58
101011 wrote: post #50

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Even so...storage is not free. Looking at the rates of enterprise storage costs compared to what Google or Apple charges consumers - I was surprised by how subsidized people's photo libraries are.

oh that's completely different. They want you to host your photos with them because then you can never leave their platform.

Apple does a pretty bad job of it then, because I have a local copy of my entire photo library too on an external hard drive. It’s quite nice really, cloud storage plus a local copy. I guess it’s somewhat of a moat because switching to some other cloud provider or my own system will be more expensive?

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Post by timcobb »

jon-wood wrote: post #13

Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

> Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying

Docker the company is crushing 2022-2023… record revenue and earnings

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Post by aviramha »

pydry wrote: post #56
londons_explore wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. Instead it has a multi-million dollar company behind it, and VC's who demand profits from a thing that shouldn't have ever had a business plan.

I think they potentially could have made a decent business out of it but they made a lot of bad business decisions. I find myself shaking my head at a lot of their technical decisions too. Podman seems to me to be a case study for how to do this right.

I am usually an early adopter but I keep coming back to Docker since Podman is still very rough around the edges, especially in terms of "non-direct" usage (aka other tools)

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Post by Sebb767 »

trey-jones wrote: post #32
Kwpolska wrote: post #14

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They have a pretty good track record in code hosting (15 years), why would they ruin it for containers?

> But for how long? applies very much to Github, and for all of their services, not just containers. The elephant in the room, hardly needs to be mentioned I would think (Microsoft). We are only a few years into that regime.

You can say a lot of bad stuff about Microsoft, but they are not known for randomly and suddenly killing of their services.

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Post by tankerkiller »

bflesch wrote: post #26
Kwpolska wrote: post #14

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They have a pretty good track record in code hosting (15 years), why would they ruin it for containers?

Github shutting down is not on my risk matrix. Hopefully it happens after I retire.

It's on ours where I work, which is why we use Gitea to clone the various open source projects we use to our own servers. With binary level deduplication the amount of data stored is actually incredibly small. I think the unduplicated storage is like 50GB, and the deduplicated is like 10GB?

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Post by preciousoo »

jacobwg wrote: post #46
preciousoo wrote: post #34

Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

Travis CI got acquired by Idera in 2019 ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18978251 ) then a month later laid off senior engineer staff ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19218036 ).

Damn. They were my introduction to CI/CD. Such is life
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