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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice try

I love this comment because I only read the above, started thinking about how I would do it, then was like "ah! I'll reply...", and then saw it and changed course

I have to keep this one in mind at all times: 356: Nerd Sniping

https://xkcd.com/356/

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

A co-op formed by big 3 cloud providers flush with cash and put in maintenance mode.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

It actually sounds reasonable to me? They have an open source program, the article says its open source definition is "too strict" because it says you must have "no pathway to commercialization". I mean why should you expect someone to host gigabytes of docker images for you, for free?

Well, it's how they established themselves in the market. Without being friendly to open source projects they wouldn't have had that marketing and wouldn't exist as a company.

So now they destroy their foundations and learn whether they 10x or fold. Pretty standard VC playbook so I assume that's the driving force here.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

Seems based on some of my research that they've completely exited the free side of the business. All of their plans are now paid and the cheapest plan is $64/year

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

ideally a coop of some variety This is the role I feel like podman, the tool developed by Red Hat, is filling.

Podman is great and is first class citizen on Fedora. It also integrates nicely with SystemD. My only gripe with it is not many developers provide podman configuration on their install pages like they do with docker compose

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Side note: what did happen to Travis? I was just googling them yesterday because they were everywhere. They even came with the GitHub education package. Did GitHub just eat them?

Travis CI got acquired by Idera in 2019 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18978251) then a month later laid off senior engineer staff (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19218036).

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. Instead it has a multi-million dollar company behind it, and VC's who demand profits from a thing that shouldn't have ever had a business plan.

I think that Docker can have a viable business plan but they had terrible execution. At my previous position, I wanted to use DockerHub more heavily but the entire experience was like a bootstrap project someone did as a university assignment. Many advanced features for organizations were lacking (SSO/SAML) that we would have happily paid for.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Is there any progress on podman for Windows or any other way of running containers on Windows? I cannot wait for the day the development community doesn't need to rely on anything from this company.

Is there something in particular missing? I have been using Podman for Windows almost daily for the past six months. There is no management GUI built-in like Docker for Windows, but I have not found that be a problem at all.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

Do you remember SCO?

Honestly, this is reminding me of Oracle after buying Sun.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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It was always unbelievable too me how much they hosted for free. I recklessly pushed over 100gbs of containers the last years, all free. Never made sense to me, even google doesn't do this anymore.

There are techniques to compress and dedup redundancies... I doubt it is real 100gbs on their disks...

Even so...storage is not free.

Looking at the rates of enterprise storage costs compared to what Google or Apple charges consumers - I was surprised by how subsidized people's photo libraries are.

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