I've been using Hetzner servers for ~15 years with multiple clients and employers, and always been disappointed with other providers compared to what Hetzner delivers. OVH with their frequent network level outages, the 2021 fire and so on. DigitalOcean with their way too frequent and long lasting maintenance windows. And AWS/GCP/Azure with their obscene pricing, ridiculous SLA and occasional hour-lasting outages. One application platform I managed was migrated from DO to Hetzner with huge cost savings, much better uptime and insanely much higher performance running on bare metal servers rather than cheapo VMs. If you need more than two vCPUs and a few gigs of RAM, I see absolutely no reason to use overpriced AWS/GCP/Azure VMs.
Hetzner launches three new dedicated servers
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#132- AX52: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 / 64 GB / 2x1 TB NVMe - From 59€ [1] - EX44: Intel Core i5-13500 / 64 GB / 2x512 GB NVMe - From 44€ [2] - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - From 84€ [3] [1] https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax52 [2] https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex44 [3] https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex101
I really wish I could get dedicated hardware for somewhere close to that price here in Asia. It seems like Hetzner is the only company in the world offering these kind of prices, right? What's the catch?
The biggest catch is that you're getting more desktop-grade hardware than server-grade (notice Intel's i series instead of Xeon, non-ECC RAM). Doesn't make a lot of difference for the vast majority of use cases, but something to keep in mind.
You can get server-grade hardware from them, but then the pricing difference isn't so significant when compared to other providers.
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#133Yeah when I land on your web site and I get: Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected. I'm turned off instantly. I'm on a static IP on a respectable ISP in the UK and I'm not waiting in a queue for 57 seconds and counting to look at the sales pitch. Edit: so I use that time wisely to shitpost about it on HN, then check TrustPilot and I see: "Unfortunately, based on your description (I need a ticket number or oth…
Yeah companies and their small minded "sysadmins" are very eager to use an IP address as the primary predictor of hostile intent, sometimes they add user-agent as well. Not sure why but this is the sort of behaviour why I cannot trust such companies with my business.
You don't know how bad it is. As a third worlder, I tried to sign up for Hetzner storage once, my account was immediately flagged as suspicious. That by itself isn't a big deal, much bigger web services do the same. But they sent me a link to some third party identity confirmation service, which made me do a dumb song and dance of holding an ID in front of my face in front of a webcam to verify myself and had both automated and human(?) stages. That by itself took a dozen tries to get through. But even after that, Hetzner still deemed my account as suspicious, I had to write a couple paragraphs of explanation to justify my existence. I assumed after this they should have no reason to not let me through. But 3 days later I got a mail saying the account was permanently banned from Hetzner.
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#134Anybody who's never set up a dedicated service or colo will be pleasantly shocked at how cheap it is compared to the pay by hour cloud. When these guys open up dedicated servers in a USA region it's going to be huge. Unfortunately, at the moment only the cloud offering is available in the USA so you're stuck with a bit of latency round tripping to the EU.
OVH has a Montreal data center I use.
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#135I wish you could rent something like a dedicated server on an hourly basis.
As I understand it, cloud VMs are not capable to run large neural networks like StableDiffusion, Llama etc because they don't have a GPU, right?
I would like to play with these new toys, but I don't know where I can get a cloud machine capable of running them.
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#136tl;dr Mini rant (pro dedicated, anti-cloud) Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger…
Based on my two decade experience in the field ranging being part of the team that was building super computers to one that was moving amazon.com to aws, there are many dimensions that you need to consider for computational workloads. The primary deciding factor is always security. You simply cannot use any small vendor because of the physical security (or the lack thereof). Unless of course you do not care about sec…
AWS and GC (and I assume Azure, but I haven't looked) have definitely set the standard with respect to checking off all the boxes when it comes to helping customers with security audits and requirements. This is a place other provides have serious lagged. I've been involved in cases where using the cloud is essentially a pass and not using the cloud raises red flags.
From a sales point of view, I agree with you that, for a lot of folks, this might be the main concern. If you're doing B2B or government work this might be, by far, the most important thing to you.
However, this is at least partially pure sales and security theatre. It's about checkboxes and being able to say "we use AWS" and having everyone else just nod their head and say "they use AWS."
I'm not a security expert (though I have held security-related/focused programming roles), but as strong as AWS is with respect to paper security, in practice, the foundation of cloud (i.e. sharing resources), seems like a dealbreaker to me (especially in a rowhammer/spectre world). Not to mention the access AWS/Amazon themselves have and the complexity of cloud-hosted system (and how easy it is to misconfigure them (1)).) About 8 years ago, when I worked at a large international bank, that was certainly how cloud was seen. I'm not sure if that's changed. Of course, they owned their own (small) DCs.
(1) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26154038 The tool was removed from github (conspiracy theory!), but I still find the discussion there relevant.
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#137Total noob on dedicated servers and I have been thinking about getting one for fun and learning. What happens when hardware component break? Does the price include repair? What happens when storage fail? Are data backupped or it is on me to make them?
All hardware is theirs, you rent it. They repair it when it fails at no cost, but they don't monitor everything (althought some come with agent to install on dedicated server that passes monitoring data to their system).
So if you say see SMART errors on hard drive you have to open ticket with them to fix.
> What happens when storage fail? Are data backupped or it is on me to make them?
You have full control over server. If you want backup you need to set it up yourself.
I'd start with VM if you want to learn ops stuff. Those also usually have backup option at some extra cost.
kimsufi (ovh brand) also have some cheap ones, I have some atom serwer with TB drive for some offsite backups and few services and so far no problems.
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#138I'm considering using Hetzner (or equivalent) for our CI setup with Github Actions custom runners. Right now we're on CircleCI and it costs an arm and a leg. Does anyone have experience to share with that kind of setup? What's the maintenance like?
I’m running a kubernetes cluster on Hetzner with the GitHub actions runner chart. Zero issues and much faster (and cheaper!!) than GitHub’s runners.
My only issue is that security scanners can’t run on self-hosted runners (GitHub refuses the artifact result, so technically, they do run, but the results fail to upload).
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Big Hetzner fan, but the EX101 does not feel like a good value compared to the AX101 that they've had for a while. Yes, the i9-13900 is faster than the 5950X, but does that justify half the RAM and half the disk? - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - From €84 - AX101: AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X / 128GB / 2x3.84 TB NVMe - From €101
I rent one AX101 and it has been extremely good value. The thing is so cheap and fast. However my first one did often reboot randomly and the support wasn’t very helpful. They told me to just rent another one, which I did. The second one rebooted randomly once in about a year. I guess the first one went on auction and still happily reboots. Hetzner feels like a hard discount cloud provider. I still prefer them over A…
I'm currently renting around 40 x AX-line machines from them. The random reboots are a real thing, but not painfully so. I would say I see around 5-10 a year on average across all my boxes, so (very roughly) that's one random reboot per 50-100 machine-months.
I asked them about one of the incidents, and they said that the breaker serving the rack had popped. I would guess that is a fairly common cause of this problem.
Another issue is disk failures. They replace the disk incredibly quickly (Hetzner are a discount cloud provider. For the money, I'm basically delighted with them. The only other realistic option at a similar price point would be to self-host... and I'm not at all convinced that would be worth the hassle.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hardware inside server is up to you to notify Hetzner. After more than 10 years never have an issue but disk degradation after many use. Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. With SSD you may not even need to do this anymore.
> Then you contact support, appoint disk change, you first deactivate disk on raid (save geometry etc), they replace disk and then you rebuild raid in new disk. That's it. I imagine this would take time, right? Like not 5 minutes, but maybe 3 hours top? So, if I pretend to run a saas (that shouldn't be down more than 1h/day), then renting only 1 dedicated server could be qualified as "risky"?
You should be running at least three, preferrably four (3 + hot spare) mirrored instances if you require that level of uptime, regardless of provider or tech (bare metal/VM).