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Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by ratg13 »

I think they need a better definition of what 'long covid' is .. and even in the article they even also refer to 'severe long covid'

.. and that these could get better after 7 months?

I know it took me about a year and a half to recover.. I guess that puts me in the 'long covid' group although I have never really been diagnosed as such.. probably just due to my age and ability to 'deal' with it. (compared to older people)

I imagine the numbers are probably higher than they suggest because I imagine most people who are sufferers are also just 'dealing' with it on their own.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by whinenot »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #9
whinenot wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to get too personal, but how's your blood pressure? If you have a cuff, may I suggest taking a reading when it's really bothersome. FWIW, I think COVID-HBP-Tinnitus is linked somehow.

Nothing personal about it. I wish more people shared their COVID journey. My blood pressure is fine. When this all started I was a super healthy guy. That said, I am on ADHD medication, but regardless of whether I take them or not, the beep is there. Even if I don't take them for multiple days. (I had hip surgery recently, so I put on some pounds). And I'll get a cuff. Thanks for suggesting.

My tinnitus greatly increased along with my diastolic pressure post COVID. Correlation? Maybe.

I hope you find some relief.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by ljf »

t11hrow wrote: post #6

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Some people were debilitated for years after Spanish Flu, more recently people had very similar issues after getting SARs. The SARs long term impacts cross over really strongly with Long Covid.

It would be great it is was hysteria, but sadly it isn't - I've had to watch my wife go through this (who wants nothing more than to live the life she once did). 3 years in she's vastly improved, but still has range of issues.

It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid, when they know so little about it.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by ljf »

thegrim33 wrote: post #10
apwheele wrote: post #5

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If you want to look to more objective measures, since late 2021 there has been a ICD code assigned to long Covid (so it is diagnosed by a medical professional, not self report). For example, https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-i... , A Danish cohort of over 20k people that had a positive Covid test, 1.4% have subsequently been diagnosed with long Covid. Now, you could continue to be really skep…

Is there zero evidence? No, of course not. However, the amount of evidence is so ridiculously skimpy, even after multiple years of study, that at this point I have no interest in entertaining the idea.

Really? https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-...

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by roundandround »

thegrim33 wrote: post #10
apwheele wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to look to more objective measures, since late 2021 there has been a ICD code assigned to long Covid (so it is diagnosed by a medical professional, not self report). For example, https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-i... , A Danish cohort of over 20k people that had a positive Covid test, 1.4% have subsequently been diagnosed with long Covid. Now, you could continue to be really skep…

Is there zero evidence? No, of course not. However, the amount of evidence is so ridiculously skimpy, even after multiple years of study, that at this point I have no interest in entertaining the idea.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome has a similar link to other viruses and fibromyalgia quite possibly does as well. They haven't really made a whole lot of progress on those for decades despite them each affecting a percent or two of the population..

My interest is less in long covid than in whether the medical community is finally going to get itself together on viral induced damage instead of making up funny names for different combinations of damage.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by t11hrow »

ljf wrote: post #13
t11hrow wrote: post #6

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Some people were debilitated for years after Spanish Flu, more recently people had very similar issues after getting SARs. The SARs long term impacts cross over really strongly with Long Covid. It would be great it is was hysteria, but sadly it isn't - I've had to watch my wife go through this (who wants nothing more than to live the life she once did). 3 years in she's vastly improved, but still has range of issues.…

Sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just more prone to suggestion and then get stuck in a weird loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania.

> It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid

It's the other way around. This is something that didn't exist just a few years ago, that has no verifiable way to test it other than self-reports. Most of us have moved on, or weren't that scared of the virus itself.

I think some people are desperate for long covid to be a thing.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by thephyber »

thegrim33 wrote: post #3

The claim is that long covid happens in 4% of infections. The article links to a study as proof of this. The study is based on "self-reported long COVID" data. So, once again, zero scientific evidence for long covid, only that people reported that they thought they had long covid.

Do you have a suggestion for an objective test a physician can do to cover the breadth of symptoms that have been reported?

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by ljf »

t11hrow wrote: post #16
ljf wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people were debilitated for years after Spanish Flu, more recently people had very similar issues after getting SARs. The SARs long term impacts cross over really strongly with Long Covid. It would be great it is was hysteria, but sadly it isn't - I've had to watch my wife go through this (who wants nothing more than to live the life she once did). 3 years in she's vastly improved, but still has range of issues.…

Sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just more prone to suggestion and then get stuck in a weird loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania . > It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid It's the other way around. This is something that didn't exist just a few years ago, that has no verifiable way to test it other than self-reports. Most of us have moved on, or weren't that scare…

Do you buy that some people were ill for a long time after SARs? After Spanish Flu?

Check out https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-...

You started this by saying you had done zero research, if you want to chat more I'm happy to, there is plenty of study in this area.

Re: Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

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Post by quartesixte »

ratg13 wrote: post #11

I think they need a better definition of what 'long covid' is .. and even in the article they even also refer to 'severe long covid' .. and that these could get better after 7 months? I know it took me about a year and a half to recover.. I guess that puts me in the 'long covid' group although I have never really been diagnosed as such.. probably just due to my age and ability to 'deal' with it. (compared to older pe…

To support this anecdatally, I had severe pneumonia Senior Year in High School. Absolutely wrecked my health and athletic ability for years — and I was an active runner and participant in various combat sports.

Severe infections and diseases wreck your body in the same way a car crash or a serious athletic injury does. It leaves a mark on the body.

Long Covid seems real enough and we should do more to find ways to combat it from onset — I am afraid the current sufferers might only find mitigations and not total solutions.

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