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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by ravagat »

ravagat wrote: post #100

While I understand this would be good publicity for the H1B visa and its notice/grace period. I think if people were more aware (open to see another perspective) that the biggest problem, especially for those who are Indian and Chinese (the top two H1B recipients), is the abuse of sub-contractor companies being set up and using these visa recipients which create the backlogs. Another thing, I've noticed everyone on a…

For anyone curious about the top H1B recipients (FY 2019) - https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/data/h-1b...

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by oaiey »

galaxytachyon wrote: post #97

Why should someone be penalized for something they have no control over? What is the differences between a person being of specific race or gender and a person born in a specific country? All of them are not a choice they made. If there is no safety reasons, i.e coming from a hostile country, why should a person born in India get treated completely different from someone born in the US? That is just racial discrimina…

Because it is not a penalty despite it looks like one. They got a privilege they normally do not have (the visa) which has an expiration date.

Do not get me wrong, this is hard for every single person and sucks in a general economic turndown where the issuing country is no longer in need of foreign specialists.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by chucksta »

galaxytachyon wrote: post #97

Why should someone be penalized for something they have no control over? What is the differences between a person being of specific race or gender and a person born in a specific country? All of them are not a choice they made. If there is no safety reasons, i.e coming from a hostile country, why should a person born in India get treated completely different from someone born in the US? That is just racial discrimina…

>why should a person born in India get treated completely different from someone born in the US? That is just racial discrimination to me

That would be nationalism or xenophobia, not racism.

Generally speaking it's an organizational issue, determining who can do what on a mass scale.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by flashgordon »

ravagat wrote: post #100

While I understand this would be good publicity for the H1B visa and its notice/grace period. I think if people were more aware (open to see another perspective) that the biggest problem, especially for those who are Indian and Chinese (the top two H1B recipients), is the abuse of sub-contractor companies being set up and using these visa recipients which create the backlogs. Another thing, I've noticed everyone on a…

Wouldn't the actual solution be removing country caps (before bringing up diversity remember that country caps are on your country of birth, not naturalization so tell me how country of birth is not a skin color filter?) Or making this a point based scheme or making this region+comp based instead of a universal category all over? Also can the govt do anything to catch and filter the sub contractor companies or is it allowing it as it is a great revenue source?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

ashwagary wrote: post #96
the_mar wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Your argument about “the more skilled workers there are the cheaper the labor” is also backwards, this means we should all be trying really hard to ensure there are no new CS graduates to enter the workforce that will inevitably reduce our earnings. I’m all here for uplifting people in the US, but what you are advo…

>I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Are they not atleast lower wage when compared to domestic workers with similar qualifications?

I’m sure someone somewhere compiled the stats per region or per company.

Average h1b SWE salary is $109K, average SWE salary in the US is $108K

Of course average does not particularly prove one thing or the other. You can however look up your employer and compare the compensation to your own https://h1bdata.info/topjobs.php

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by linuxftw »

the_mar wrote: post #94
linuxftw wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't see how hundreds of thousands of extra employees in the labor pool depresses wages, I don't know what to tell you. > How is that not contributing positively? You understand that universities are the #1 gate keeper for the impoverished, right? Your company can afford to be highly selective with hiring candidates from universities because immigrants have created a surplus of labor. If there were not immigr…

Are you claiming that an employee with decades of experience can be replaced with a new grad willy-nilly? That's a false equivalency. A lot of things you seem to believe are incredibly backwards. Please educate yourself, because you do come off as xenophobic. Good place to start: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa...

Looks like there's already a 6 year max that is obviously being abused.

> Please educate yourself, because you do come off as xenophobic.

I do not care about foreign workers, only domestic workers. I don't think immigration should be tied to employment for any reason. It has nothing to do with cultures, or races, or nationalities, it has to do with wages. There are too many poor people in the US that are not able to move up economically for a variety of reasons, one of which is a large influx of white collar labor.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by galaxytachyon »

oaiey wrote: post #102
galaxytachyon wrote: post #97

Why should someone be penalized for something they have no control over? What is the differences between a person being of specific race or gender and a person born in a specific country? All of them are not a choice they made. If there is no safety reasons, i.e coming from a hostile country, why should a person born in India get treated completely different from someone born in the US? That is just racial discrimina…

Because it is not a penalty despite it looks like one. They got a privilege they normally do not have (the visa) which has an expiration date. Do not get me wrong, this is hard for every single person and sucks in a general economic turndown where the issuing country is no longer in need of foreign specialists.

The "privilege" to work should not be a privilege.

And there is absolutely a penalty. Every step of hiring is more difficult for a foreigner than a native, down to the interview step. The need for a sponsorship is a barrier for hiring since that is an extra cost. Approving and reporting a foreigner to the IRS is more involved. Requesting an SSN and doing background check on someone from another country is more expensive. Maintaining a foreign hire is risky due to H1B lottery, etc. And yet the companies are legally required to pay these H1Bs the same salary on top of all the extra costs. Those are definitely penalties for hiring a foreigners imposed so that a native hire is more desirable.

You can argue those are not meant to be punitive policies, but in effect they are acting as deterrents. And yet everyone is still hiring H1Bs. How many Indian and Chinese do you work with? That should say just how much the US economy depend on these high skill immigrants. Yet they get treated like disposable slaves.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by mantas »

the_mar wrote: post #81
hsn915 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully that does not change in the future. If anyone could just go anywhere that would be a terrible dystopian future.

Right fuck those people who want to live outside of the place they were born in. /s

No, let people in other places live as they're used to and don't get overrun and outpriced of their home.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by mantas »

the_af wrote: post #75
hsn915 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully that does not change in the future. If anyone could just go anywhere that would be a terrible dystopian future.

Why?

There're many small countries where natives could be easily outnumbered by newcomers.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by mantas »

rileymat2 wrote: post #63
hsn915 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could argue that even your country doesn't owe you anything merely for existing. You have responsibilities, not just rights. But for the purpose of this discussion, I'm assuming a person already has a country they belong to which does give them the right to stay. No other country owes you the right to stay. Singapore does not owe me the right to be there, let alone stay there. Each country is free to decide the r…

One thing that I would like to push back on the idea that “It is not a ‘human right’”. A “human right” is a social term defined by the demands of the people living in that time collectively. There is no list we can check off, it is what people demand and can fight for. By asserting the right they very well could be /creating/ it.

With your definition of „human rights“ we can just abolish the term altogether.

The beauty of human rights was that it was supposed to be a well-defined set of core things. Which can't be granted, they just shouldn't be stamped on. But now „human rights“ is becoming a very polarised topic with many bits where person A is forced to do provide something to person B because it's „human rights“. Does person A has a „human right“ to refuse to provide his service?

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