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America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by galaxytachyon »

avgcorrection wrote: post #90
galaxytachyon wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that is a fair comparison. Fox News isn't an official government mouthpiece. For whatever favors they have, they still can't speak for the US government. No news source in the US is. China can't claim the same with the amount of censorship and information control they have. If a main news channel in China is pushing some type of information, it is very likely such information was explicitly approved by…

> The uniformity and obedience of the media, which any dictator would admire , thus succeeds in concealing what is plainly the real reason for the US attack, sometimes conceded openly by Administration spokesmen. — Chomsky, Turning the Tide postscript, Sec. 2.3 My emphasis.

I know that. I am not deluded into thinking the US media is not at all influenced or affected by the US govt. But the point here is that the US news are free to say whatever it wants until the US govt says otherwise. In China, it is the other way around, the PRC tells the news what to say and the news isn't allowed to push a non-approved narrative, at least not on any noticeable scale.

In fact, Fox News is so biased it is literally being sued right now and you can be sure Biden administration won't lift a single finger to help it. The current govt actually condemns almost everything Fox News say.

That is why no single news source in the US speaks for the US govt. Unless all of them agrees with each other, they are just speaking for themselves.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by NicoJuicy »

avgcorrection wrote: post #93
NicoJuicy wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coincidence... I'm not saying masterminded, but it embolded Russia. Poo-tin was already eager to show "who's boss" after he didn't get enough "attention" in ~ 2000 for his ego. Little guys...

I can see that you are very serious about geopolitics.

I'm jokingly describing the situation where Putin was the first to condolence the US after 9/11 ( for personal gain).

But was hurt in his ego because of Iraq, since it was in/near the self-claimed Russian sphere of influence and he wasn't aware until it started.

Relations between the US and Russia deteriorated after that.

He's been planning "revenge" for the next 20 years => the reference to little guys...

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by avgcorrection »

galaxytachyon wrote: post #101
avgcorrection wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The uniformity and obedience of the media, which any dictator would admire , thus succeeds in concealing what is plainly the real reason for the US attack, sometimes conceded openly by Administration spokesmen. — Chomsky, Turning the Tide postscript, Sec. 2.3 My emphasis.

I know that. I am not deluded into thinking the US media is not at all influenced or affected by the US govt. But the point here is that the US news are free to say whatever it wants until the US govt says otherwise. In China, it is the other way around, the PRC tells the news what to say and the news isn't allowed to push a non-approved narrative, at least not on any noticeable scale. In fact, Fox News is so biased…

> But the point here is that the US news are free to say whatever it wants until the US govt says otherwise.

I have the freedom to be unemployed.

> That is why no single news source in the US speaks for the US govt. Unless all of them agrees with each other, they are just speaking for themselves.

This is more or less true. The Media has to be aligned with the Establishment, not necessarily with the sitting government (one out of the duopoly).

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by avgcorrection »

ianburrell wrote: post #72
skinnymuch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My worry from debating Chinese nationalists is that they think war is necessary, that it will go their way, and that it will end. Is this bravado any different than what Europeans and Americans regularly do? Look at the imperialism and colonizing. Why can’t the west leave the world alone? Of course Taiwan and Ukraine are serious circumstances but so are Yemen, Congo, Palestine, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Afghanistan, Ira…

I agree that the West has done terrible things. In fact, I think China would have success with global south exploiting that. China should learn the lesson not to conquer people, not that they need to act the same way. China should go do its thing, making stuff and helping other countries, and only fight when they need to. The way for China to show they are the strongest and best is to give Taiwan its independence. My…

> China should learn the lesson not to conquer people, not that they need to act the same way.

Maybe the PRC could get inspired by the RC? Who after all invaded modern-day Taiwan against the wishes of the non-Chinese natives.

With all that said, and for the record, yes: there should be no unification and China and Taiwan should stay where they are. Two wrongs never make a right. (Not that the PRC was ever blameless, of course.)

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

#105

Post by avgcorrection »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #102
avgcorrection wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see that you are very serious about geopolitics.

I'm jokingly describing the situation where Putin was the first to condolence the US after 9/11 ( for personal gain). But was hurt in his ego because of Iraq, since it was in/near the self-claimed Russian sphere of influence and he wasn't aware until it started. Relations between the US and Russia deteriorated after that. He's been planning "revenge" for the next 20 years => the reference to little guys...

Why are you dunking on the US for their illegal invasion of Iraq? This is a thread about China. Stop with the whataboutism.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by bvoq »

ergonaught wrote: post #29

I’ve always found it strange that military planning and training is considered newsworthy and informational. I’d be a whole lot more upset and surprised if USA and China were not preparing for a war over Taiwan. It is one of the top 3 most likely sparks for war between them. Which is not to say that it is “likely”.

It is strange that China is preparing for war, because Taiwan gave up on mainland China and does no longer want to go to war with mainland China. There is a clear aggressor here.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by elforce002 »

swamp40 wrote: post #14

It would be a proxy war, not direct US troop involvement. But China says any response from Taiwan will be taken as a direct response from the US. So, that could go south in a hurry. I think Ukraine showed China exactly what the world response would be to such an invasion - i.e. shunning, so I doubt this would happen except as a way to goad the US into a war. And China certainly isn't ready for that yet. From the US P…

Interesting. If the forecasts regarding china's population don't lie, then the best time to attack Taiwan has to be before 2040.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by traveler01 »

bvoq wrote: post #106

Who wakes up one day and chooses war? China has no threat from Taiwan, yet they chose violence through preparation. Russia has no threat from Ukraine, yet they chose violence through actions. Disgusting.

And somehow they wil still find a way of blaming NATO on their actions, and some people eat that crap.

Re: America and China are preparing for a war over Taiwan

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Post by tpoacher »

traveler01 wrote: post #109
bvoq wrote: post #106

Who wakes up one day and chooses war? China has no threat from Taiwan, yet they chose violence through preparation. Russia has no threat from Ukraine, yet they chose violence through actions. Disgusting.

And somehow they wil still find a way of blaming NATO on their actions, and some people eat that crap.

Having said this, the Economist has been priming us with increased frequency for the necessity of war in Taiwan for a few good weeks/months now.

NATO being "to blame" or not, I do have to wonder to what extent such actions being directly precipitated by provocation could have been avoided in the absence of it.

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