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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by sokoloff »

the_mar wrote: post #90
sokoloff wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in favor of treating H1B holders with dignity, but I think it's at least fair (and likely proper) for any country's government to give priority and preference to its own citizens/permanent residents over the citizens/permanent residents of other countries. I think that's what the debate ends up being about in a time like this. If there comes a broad tech recession, should the US government prioritize the needs o…

What you say holds true. Of course the US nationals have to be prioritized. But the reality is they already are. Hiring someone on H1B results in lawyer fees and visa fees. Every company is already incentivized to hire domestically. Which I do agree is 100% fair. However how is extending the grace period beyond 60 days harming anyone?

Per upthread, I am in favor of extending the grace period beyond 60 days.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by prithsr »

mortehu wrote: post #55
2143 wrote: post #11

> It was also used by American tech companies, including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Meta, to hire top talent. Do these^ companies hire foreigners via H1B? I don't know if this is true, but I've heard — because of the lottery/uncertainty involved — that these companies instead park foreigners who they want to hire in their offices in other countries (such as Canada/Europe) for a while and then bring them in…

You can change jobs while on H-1B (did it several times myself). There's certainly no lack of H-1B employees at these companies, but I don't know how many are hired directly from abroad.

1- Was the transfer a complicated process? 2- Unless you're extremely qualified, did the idea of a transfer discourage many potential employers during your job search(es)?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by em-bee »

ryukafalz wrote: post #27
tdsanchez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It should increase with time." Why is that?

The longer you've been in a place the more established you'll be there. You'll have built relationships, you might own a home, you might have made large purchases that aren't easy to move like a car... etc.

also, kids in school or have a girlfriend/boyfriend that you may want to marry. you really don't want to rush a marriage just because your visa is about to expire.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

linuxftw wrote: post #89
the_mar wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Your argument about “the more skilled workers there are the cheaper the labor” is also backwards, this means we should all be trying really hard to ensure there are no new CS graduates to enter the workforce that will inevitably reduce our earnings. I’m all here for uplifting people in the US, but what you are advo…

If you can't see how hundreds of thousands of extra employees in the labor pool depresses wages, I don't know what to tell you. > How is that not contributing positively? You understand that universities are the #1 gate keeper for the impoverished, right? Your company can afford to be highly selective with hiring candidates from universities because immigrants have created a surplus of labor. If there were not immigr…

Are you claiming that an employee with decades of experience can be replaced with a new grad willy-nilly? That's a false equivalency.

A lot of things you seem to believe are incredibly backwards. Please educate yourself, because you do come off as xenophobic.

Good place to start: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa...

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by ckaygusu »

sokoloff wrote: post #88
ckaygusu wrote: post #71

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Why not actually treat them with dignity instead, and give them a legit chance to settle?

I am in favor of treating H1B holders with dignity, but I think it's at least fair (and likely proper) for any country's government to give priority and preference to its own citizens/permanent residents over the citizens/permanent residents of other countries. I think that's what the debate ends up being about in a time like this. If there comes a broad tech recession, should the US government prioritize the needs o…

I'm not disagreeing on the principle. As the sovereign of the land, of course you're going to prioritize yourself. The prioritization you're talking about does not come in as giving an advantage to the domestic worker, it comes in the form of hostile treatment of people who are here on work visas, and has been living here quite a while.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by ashwagary »

the_mar wrote: post #86
linuxftw wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 4 year limit is meant to be a process for training a domestic replacement, or otherwise a very short period of time (relatively) for the company to invest in whatever it needs to invest in to be competitive. The only lawful reason to bring in an H1B is that you cannot find that skill domestically. That's how the program works. Obviously, the program is being exploited by corporations to bring in low-wage workers…

I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Your argument about “the more skilled workers there are the cheaper the labor” is also backwards, this means we should all be trying really hard to ensure there are no new CS graduates to enter the workforce that will inevitably reduce our earnings. I’m all here for uplifting people in the US, but what you are advo…

>I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage.

Are they not atleast lower wage when compared to domestic workers with similar qualifications?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by galaxytachyon »

Why should someone be penalized for something they have no control over?

What is the differences between a person being of specific race or gender and a person born in a specific country? All of them are not a choice they made. If there is no safety reasons, i.e coming from a hostile country, why should a person born in India get treated completely different from someone born in the US? That is just racial discrimination to me.

I read it somewhere and still think it is true: if a native can't compete with a foreigner on their home soil, it just means the native lacks qualifications.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by TradingPlaces »

For anyone in this predicament, the place I see the most hiring for software developers is large non-tech companies like Walmart. They have 1379 job openings with “software” in the title. Many are in CA, WA or TX, and hundreds were posted in the past few weeks.

https://careers.walmart.com/results?q=software&page=1&sort=r...

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by ravagat »

While I understand this would be good publicity for the H1B visa and its notice/grace period. I think if people were more aware (open to see another perspective) that the biggest problem, especially for those who are Indian and Chinese (the top two H1B recipients), is the abuse of sub-contractor companies being set up and using these visa recipients which create the backlogs.

Another thing, I've noticed everyone on an H1B already knows the responsibilities of holding this temporary visa. This type of article is nothing but complaining without providing a solution. Yes it sucks, but naivety to your responsibilities as a visa holder and to something that can happen to you is immature. And also risks putting other immigrants and visa holders in a bad light.

I've seen more and more of these types of writing regarding the H1B, visas, and the immigration system in light of the layoffs but I feel they are doing more for negativity than any positivity at all. If this could assist in anyway in moving towards seeing what the actual problem is in the system then ok but it didn't read at all like that tbh.

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