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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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> It was also used by American tech companies, including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Meta, to hire top talent.

Do these^ companies hire foreigners via H1B?

I don't know if this is true, but I've heard — because of the lottery/uncertainty involved — that these companies instead park foreigners who they want to hire in their offices in other countries (such as Canada/Europe) for a while and then bring them in via L1 visa.

Don't know if this is true or common though.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

It should increase with time. 90 days if you are let go during your first year of working in the country. 180 days if you have been working in the country for more than a year. 365 days if you have been working in the country for more than three years.

"It should increase with time."

Why is that?

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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All this proves how broken the US education is.

I have worked with many Indian programmers over the years. I only ran into a very small amount who were not brilliant, but were average. The rest where brilliant, and a few I learned some cool tricks from. For young Americans, most were good but none approached the level of smarts most of the Indians I worked with.

The US should send observers over to India and study their education system :)

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

And your country owes you why?

"And your country owes you why?"

Because its a UN convention.

https://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-on-statelessness.html

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #14

All this proves how broken the US education is. I have worked with many Indian programmers over the years. I only ran into a very small amount who were not brilliant, but were average. The rest where brilliant, and a few I learned some cool tricks from. For young Americans, most were good but none approached the level of smarts most of the Indians I worked with. The US should send observers over to India and study th…

The secret is: you see Indians in the US after the huge gruesome filter

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #11

> It was also used by American tech companies, including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Meta, to hire top talent. Do these^ companies hire foreigners via H1B? I don't know if this is true, but I've heard — because of the lottery/uncertainty involved — that these companies instead park foreigners who they want to hire in their offices in other countries (such as Canada/Europe) for a while and then bring them in…

Definitely true, I had a few coworkers who spent a year in Germany as a pit stop to the US.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your country owes you why?

That's the general social contract that most people have as their mental model: "If I pay my taxes and do my part, my children will get the standard benefits of citizenship". Honestly, I'm not sure what use you see from asking this question.

It's part of the socratic method.

It's reasonable to ask why your country of birth owes you anything. Keep in mind not every country gives you citizenship from birth, so it raises the question of whether what you're saying really is correct.

I would suggest if someone has worked somewhere for a decent amount of time they should not be disposed of so easily as the person in the article.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon that I'd like to see us move forward to better structures.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

Not sure how feasible it would be, but the limit should be a runtime calculation depending on various factors (e.g. Median time it's taking to find a job nowadays). A static time limit, I feel is wrong for somethimg that is so fluctuating. Especially in current climate.

Extending the duration based on a poor job market would certainly be more accommodating to the people on H1-B visas who are between work, but it works against the stated purpose of the program.

The H1-B program is designed* to provide labor force supplementation when no citizens/permanent residents can be found to fill a given position.

In a prolonged recession, I'd expect the median time to find a job to go up substantially, but also for the argument that "we can't find any permanent residents to fill this position" to be substantially weakened.

* - at least ostensibly.

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