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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

Story time. I graduated into the recession (2009) and got a grueling EE job on my J-1, after about a year and some change I could not take it anymore. Hundreds of applications and many months later “you are pretty good but we aren’t going to bother with sponsoring your visa” was basically all I got.

I was facing the reality of having to go back to “my country”, but I had no surviving family, no money and no support system. I didn’t really have anywhere to go back to. It was scary. Ultimately I ended up having to get married to remain in the country where all my personal belongings were.

So I do agree, 60 days is not enough time, it should depend on how long you have been in the country.

Second time I felt that way was 2016 when trump became president, my coworker, canadian national of iranian background, also a GC holder was denied entry back to the US after he went to a conference in Canada, because Trump. It was mortifying, that someone could arbitrarily decide you are just not allowed to come back to the place you’ve been living in for years.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by AstixAndBelix »

These people clinging desperately to the US and trying every trick in the book to not go back to their native countries is exactly why the country they left is in shambles.

It's a self-fulfulling prophecy of the country not improving because the people who could improve it leave (and not for humanitarian reasons). They may not realize it, but they are actively contributing to the reasons that pushed them to move.

I know that it's hard to hear, but if you're not good enough as a programmer for the most wealthy and cut-throat market in the world, you have at least gained enough experience to be a good senior engineer or manager or even founder back home.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by krisoft »

hsn915 wrote: post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

> It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency.

It is in fact inhumane. It is also "or something" if you mean "unethical" by that.

The purpose of the arrangement is to obtain easy to exploit workforce to undercut the one locally available. The fact that it is precarious and exploitative is not an accident, but the goal.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by hsn915 »

the_gipsy wrote: post #49
hsn915 wrote: post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Why even your country of origin? Okay, they can't just pick another country and shove people there, that's not fair and no country would accept that, but they could maybe dump unwanted people in the ocean. Just a thought.

Because humans are cooperative creatures, and if a society can't establish cooperation between its members, chaos will ensue.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by mortehu »

2143 wrote: post #11

> It was also used by American tech companies, including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Meta, to hire top talent. Do these^ companies hire foreigners via H1B? I don't know if this is true, but I've heard — because of the lottery/uncertainty involved — that these companies instead park foreigners who they want to hire in their offices in other countries (such as Canada/Europe) for a while and then bring them in…

You can change jobs while on H-1B (did it several times myself). There's certainly no lack of H-1B employees at these companies, but I don't know how many are hired directly from abroad.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by [deleted] »

sokoloff wrote: post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by the_mar »

tdsanchez wrote: post #13
codetrotter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should increase with time. 90 days if you are let go during your first year of working in the country. 180 days if you have been working in the country for more than a year. 365 days if you have been working in the country for more than three years.

"It should increase with time." Why is that?

As an immigrant, because you’ve built your life here, because you managed to be a positive contributor to a society for years, because you are clearly aren’t here to abuse american benefits (that you can’t even get).

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by pshirshov »

sokoloff wrote: post #6

I sometimes wonder what the "right amount of time" for this would be. Surely 30 days is nowhere near enough. 60 days also feels like too little. 90 days is the typical tourist visa duration; that seems more reasonable as a minimum duration to me. Does it need to be 180 days? 364? I just don't know, but 60 seems too low.

It's six months in Ireland.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by lordnacho »

hsn915 wrote: post #40
inertiatic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your country owes you why?

You could argue that even your country doesn't owe you anything merely for existing. You have responsibilities, not just rights. But for the purpose of this discussion, I'm assuming a person already has a country they belong to which does give them the right to stay. No other country owes you the right to stay. Singapore does not owe me the right to be there, let alone stay there. Each country is free to decide the r…

So where do stateless people such as myself belong (not stateless now, but previously)? There's corner cases in every rule, but there can be a lot of cases where people slip through the cracks.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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Post by linuxftw »

the_mar wrote: post #57
tdsanchez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It should increase with time." Why is that?

As an immigrant, because you’ve built your life here, because you managed to be a positive contributor to a society for years, because you are clearly aren’t here to abuse american benefits (that you can’t even get).

You shouldn't build your life here on a temporary visa. 4 years should be the maximum allowed stay, and the employer should be obligated to have you train your replacement the entire time. Otherwise, it's just a wage-suppressing system of indentured service.
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