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Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by rob74 »

pestatije wrote: post #42
smcin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baikonur is 45.62° N, 63.31° E Vostochny Cosmodrome, (Tsiolkovsky, Amur Oblast) is 51.85° N, 128.35° E. 550 miles west of Sakhalin Island and the Sea of Japan.

51° N is like London...not the best latitude for launching to space

It's definitely not optimal, but GP probably wanted to highlight that it's not much worse than Baikonur (45°), at least when you compare it to Cape Canaveral (28°) or Kourou (5°). Actually, Roskosmos was cooperating with ESA to launch some of their rockets from Kourou, but of course since the Ukraine attack that is suspended (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-suspends-coopera...)

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by hutzlibu »

madsbuch wrote: post #16
somenameforme wrote: post #10

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Auto translation of the original source: --- The Bailiffs' Service of the Republic of Kazakhstan informs that the property of TsENKI (Center for the Operation of Ground-based Space Infrastructure), located in Kazakhstan, has been seized. The company, which is a subsidiary of the state-owned Roscosmos, is prohibited from withdrawing material assets and assets from Kazakhstan. The travel ban has also been extended to t…

I don't find it appropriate to reproduce the material here, when it is readily available and everybody using this site know how to use a transalte service to translate a website.

Well it is still work and time and parent saved us from it.

So it is convenient for us, but whether it is legal, is probably a grey area.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by nradov »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #31
cozzyd wrote: post #13

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Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

Many years ago they ran a successful space program with no chips at all.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by NicoJuicy »

chii wrote: post #48
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

They can run one where china supplies the required components.

I doubt China will pay Russia for the space program as the US did.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by enkid »

vbezhenar wrote: post #7
idontwantthis wrote: post #3

Is this real or not? Many articles all pointing to this domain which is currently down.

Sources are sketchy. Those sources I've found report that Kazakhstani bailiffs put an arrest to Russian property (basically they can't move it out of the country) and forbade some manager to leave country as well. I'm not sure if English meaning of word seizure includes those actions, I thought that seizure is more like expropriation and that's not what happening here. I think that's not serious. It's either some pol…

Kazakhstan's economy is dominated by the oil and gas industry. If anything, it competes with Russia economically. As it develops alternative transportation networks, economic independence from Russia will benefit it, not harm it.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by tokai »

nradov wrote: post #53
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

Many years ago they ran a successful space program with no chips at all.

No they didn't. The Soviet Union did.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by Etheryte »

tokai wrote: post #56
nradov wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many years ago they ran a successful space program with no chips at all.

No they didn't. The Soviet Union did.

This is an important distinction. The majority of the aerospace know-how in the Soviet Union came from Ukraine, not from Russia.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by saiya-jin »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #31
cozzyd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very nice. I guess Russia's lease on Baikonur is until 2050. I wonder what happens if it's not renewed...

I do not believe russians will want or need to get into space until 2050, because the economy of this country is screwed and electronics tech-stack is dependent on global market to deliver required chips... Needless to say the window of opportunity to receive the electronic components is closing. They can't run a space program on gray market deliveries.

I don't think you understand russian mentality. If it will be the only option, they will run their space program, however gutted and affected, from grey market. The war will only strengthen this mentality and approach.

Just don't expect thats the same grey market that we individuals are exposed to, currently places like Turkey, Georgia, Belarus and plenty of *stan countries are happily providing all the banned wares. Its not like they need to buy enriched plutonium (of which they have plenty), rather just chips and few things around.

Or they go completely China way, they can pay in raw materials like platinum, oil, gold, diamonds etc.

Re: Russian Assets Reportedly Seized at Baikonur Cosmodrome by Kazakh Authorities

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

outintheboonies wrote: post #50
labster wrote: post #21

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Nah, we in NATO don’t blame landlocked countries with small economies for having, well, ambiguous relations with nearby Russia. It’s the places that have a choice, like Serbia, India, and Hungary, that are at risk of moving themselves onto our list of geopolitical rivals.

Just checked the GDPs of Serbia v Kazakhstan v Hungary. Serbia: 63.08 billion USD (2021) Kazakhstan: 197.1 billion USD (2021) Hungary: 181.8 billion USD (2021) Per google, sources include World Bank.

Hungary is doing alot of things right, not politically, but economically its becoming one of the industrial powerhouses of the EU.
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