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Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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lynx23 wrote: post #46
InCityDreams wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>company is closed permanently in the interest of public security. So there goes a janitors job, secretaries etc. Local cafes, bars, transport lose out. The dependents of all the company are now involved. There's a long chain of consequences after this. Why not just target the guilty: maybe any punishment should make them suffer.

Well, I'd argue if the first two high penalties did not have an effect, the company is likely rotten from within and can not really be fixed, so close it. Also, I find your "but you have to think about the children^WJobs" argument pretty hollow. Nothing can be changed, because some gay lesbian from a foreign country might loose their already precarious job. Come on, is this really an argument for something?

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Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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komali2 wrote: post #36
theK wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very much with you on this but I think the biggest hurdle in this theory is that introducing such regulation would create a de-facto hostile innovation environment in that jurisdiction. And no regulator will lightheartedly put themselves into the position of being the guy that “drove away all the innovators/startups/research/business”

Some would say the most fertile ground for "business innovation" is a country with no labor protection laws. I think innovation will happen regardless and I'm kinda tired of fear mongering around "throttling innovation" whenever people talk about making our world better for people.

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Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Post by ra120271 »

My personal trust of devices like this is low - and since it is capturing public side recordings (outside my front door) I'm less worried about the vidoes. I just prefer to treat them as untrusted devices and put them on my guest network isolated from the rest of my network.

Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Post by caskstrength »

InCityDreams wrote: post #45
lynx23 wrote: post #31

Leaking user data isn't really penalized enough. First two incidents, high monetary penalty, third incident, company is closed permanently in the interest of public security.

>company is closed permanently in the interest of public security. So there goes a janitors job, secretaries etc. Local cafes, bars, transport lose out. The dependents of all the company are now involved. There's a long chain of consequences after this. Why not just target the guilty: maybe any punishment should make them suffer.

> So there goes a janitors job, secretaries etc. Local cafes, bars, transport lose out. The dependents of all the company are now involved. There's a long chain of consequences after this. Why not just target the guilty: maybe any punishment should make them suffer.

I agree. It would be better to make execs personally criminally liable.

Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Post by thombat »

yellowsir wrote: post #41
TylerE wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been tried. Laws against paying just make people not report to the police at all.

well, i guess laws against murder, makes murder no report them self...

The analogy is closer to being: the state will prosecute the murder victim's family for failing to properly protect them AND won't be able to locate or punish the true murderer. So in this situation, what's the family going to do? Mourn in private and not report the crime, maybe try for vigilante justice if they think they've identified the murderer.

Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #49
josephg wrote: post #12

I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…

> companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers This is zealous. If consumers don't care, and nobody can show tangible damages, "massive fines" and "criminal charges" are closer to moral outrage than prudent lawmaking.

Noone cares about anything, unless they're the one affected by this.

I don't care if people around me don't have car insurance, but once one of them crashes into my car, i sure want them to have one, while the rest will continue not caring.

So yes, requiring companies to safeguard data, even if that means fines and criminal charges for responsible people is important.

Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

wruza wrote: post #39
josephg wrote: post #12

I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…

In the next episodes: - Why so expensive? - Where did all businesses go? - Let’s create a certified secure data enclave companies! - Why so expensive still? - We can’t charge a certified company because it would damage half the economy!

You can translate this to any kind of regulation.

Want cars not to explode when slightly rear-ended? Why are they so expensive now? Where did the car businesses go? Let's create car security companies! Why so expensive still? ...

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