Leaking user data isn't really penalized enough. First two incidents, high monetary penalty, third incident, company is closed permanently in the interest of public security.
Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware
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#32This should be interesting. Also, thanks for not making me visit twitter. Edit: because twitter doesn't load on this particular device I use for HN. Basically the browser is too old. There is no "hate" ... ffs
If Twitter doesn't work (well), I recommend nitter.net (or other instances of Nitter, it's open source software). Addons are available for various browsers to automatically redirect.
Nitter is meant as a privacy-friendly Twitter front-end, but I mainly use it because Twitter takes literal seconds to load a 280 character post and Nitter works almost instantly. As an added bonus, it doesn't rely on Javascript to render.
For example: https://nitter.net/vxunderground/status/1635427567271329792
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Twitter used to be controlled by the blue tribe. Now it’s been bought by a (perceived) member of the red tribe. It’s a simple as that. People feel the need to signal their tribal affiliation and attack those from other tribes. Been part of human behaviour since humans began.
Non partisan reasons to dislike Twitter as a tool of communication were posted before you made this comment.
Anyway, your experience of any social media depends on how you curate it. For example I only follow professional photographers on Instagram so that's the only kind of content I see there.
Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware
#34I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…
I am very much with you on this but I think the biggest hurdle in this theory is that introducing such regulation would create a de-facto hostile innovation environment in that jurisdiction. And no regulator will lightheartedly put themselves into the position of being the guy that “drove away all the innovators/startups/research/business”
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are also some pretty extreme feature downgrades to enabling it. Main ones for me if I was a customer would be Limited notifications,.loss of timeline feature, inaccessible on desktop and other non-mobile platform
Definitely some tradeoffs there. I recall going back and forth in my head "I'm paranoid, I don't need to enable this" to "what if there was a breach..". and well.. here we are.
E2E encryption only protects the data while it is in transmission.
If there is a breach, all of your data is accessible because it is decrypted at the endpoint.
Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware
#36I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…
I am very much with you on this but I think the biggest hurdle in this theory is that introducing such regulation would create a de-facto hostile innovation environment in that jurisdiction. And no regulator will lightheartedly put themselves into the position of being the guy that “drove away all the innovators/startups/research/business”
Some would say the most fertile ground for "business innovation" is a country with no labor protection laws.
I think innovation will happen regardless and I'm kinda tired of fear mongering around "throttling innovation" whenever people talk about making our world better for people.
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#37I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…
Apart from leaks harming the privacy of customers, paying ransoms does social harm by providing an income and incentive to criminals. I found leaked details of Royal Mail's negotiations with their attackers fascinating [0]. I'm not sure it's practical to outlaw the payment of ransoms, but it should at least be heavily taxed (say, 100%). Naively, I would expect this to cut by half the amount that can be extorted throu…
It’s been tried. Laws against paying just make people not report to the police at all.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Twitter used to be controlled by the blue tribe. Now it’s been bought by a (perceived) member of the red tribe. It’s a simple as that. People feel the need to signal their tribal affiliation and attack those from other tribes. Been part of human behaviour since humans began.
On a tech forum one would expect the reasons to be more centered upon tech rather than (what I think you're referring to anyway) politics.
Twitter sucks because it's full of JavaScript and tracking that you don't need, so I would imagine that most on HN would find it burdensome to even view the content, since many in tech whittle the content down to only getting the packets necessary - which Twitter/Facebook make very difficult.
Nitter has a much better user interface and makes it much easier to see what is happening on your device.
Other than that, the content is mostly just low quality as well, so there's little reason to use it.
Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware
#39I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…
In the next episodes:
- Why so expensive?
- Where did all businesses go?
- Let’s create a certified secure data enclave companies!
- Why so expensive still?
- We can’t charge a certified company because it would damage half the economy!
Re: Ring LLC home security company ransomed by ALPHV ransomware
#40I've said it before and I'll say it again: - Companies should suffer massive fines / damages / criminal charges when they leak the personal data of millions of customers. - I think EULAs are a ridiculous run-around the law. They should be non-enforceable. Its far from perfect, but case law is pretty clear that people and companies are liable for damages due to foreseeable harm that they cause. (Except EULAs dodge thi…
I am very much with you on this but I think the biggest hurdle in this theory is that introducing such regulation would create a de-facto hostile innovation environment in that jurisdiction. And no regulator will lightheartedly put themselves into the position of being the guy that “drove away all the innovators/startups/research/business”
> I am very much with you on this but I think the biggest hurdle in this theory is that introducing such regulation would create a de-facto hostile innovation environment in that jurisdiction.
Personally I think that is a price worth paying. Laws like the parent are suggesting are about having a standard that companies need to meet if they want to operate in a given space, and currently it is clear that companies will not meet these standards unless they are legally obliged to do so.