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Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by steponlego »

leesalminen wrote: post #40
steponlego wrote: post #33

A nice big Threadripper in the corner of your office is all you need, I can almost certainly guarantee it. There are very very few businesses with less than 1000 employees that can't be run on one modern high end server.

What happens when the power goes out? Internet goes out? Someone spills a cup of coffee on the server? Landlord needs to do some work and drywall dust flies around everywhere? It's not that most CRUD apps could run on a single machine, it's that they probably shouldn't. Customers want redundancy, automated failover, etc. Datacenters are much better at offering these things than your office park.

You can do automated failover to Raspberry Pi, it'll hold while the main server is cared for. If you go cloud, you deserve what you get. And what you get is what you get, because it's not your computer, and it's not your data.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by margorczynski »

leesalminen wrote: post #40
steponlego wrote: post #33

A nice big Threadripper in the corner of your office is all you need, I can almost certainly guarantee it. There are very very few businesses with less than 1000 employees that can't be run on one modern high end server.

What happens when the power goes out? Internet goes out? Someone spills a cup of coffee on the server? Landlord needs to do some work and drywall dust flies around everywhere? It's not that most CRUD apps could run on a single machine, it's that they probably shouldn't. Customers want redundancy, automated failover, etc. Datacenters are much better at offering these things than your office park.

Using a colo where each instance has a backup in another colo would probably be sufficient for most.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by Mizoguchi »

philihp wrote: post #140
Mizoguchi wrote: post #68

Make sure your decision to migrate to AWS is not an emotional one. I had my own feud with AWS over a $60,000 bill and an enormous amount of hours spent by my team fighting crypto hackers after they took over one of our accounts and use very advanced scripts to create hundreds of large instances. AWS has become very complicated to manage and at the same time the attacks to their infrastructure have increased exponenti…

AWS understands lifetime value of the user, not just the account. I've had mistakes ON MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT that were in no way connected to my work. Times when I was just experimenting. They refunded it in full. I've also heard from STUDENTS who may not ever get into infra work that they're still reasonable and lenient. You would be absolute mad to use any other platform. AWS gets it right on the customer service fro…

It was not our experience.

Tech support was always friendly, polite and apologetic, but could not provide help.

The attack was way beyond their level of skill and they insisted in providing instructions that were completely helpless, all manual actions to fight a full scale extremely vicious automated attack (change password, delete instances, disable regions, delete roles, etc).

AWS security got it done in one hour, but it took months to get to them.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by thr717272 »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #122
mechanical_bear wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why all the quotes? It makes your response seem either sarcastic or disbelieving, either way a bit disrespectful.

Or because he's quoting the comment in his question.

> Or because he's quoting the comment in his question.

On HN the usual way to quote is like I have done above.

I too react like the poster above you and would probably not quote that way except to ridicule. Hopefully there aren't many of these across my posts.

(As for an almost green account commenting on HN standards I have been here is some form or another since around 2009 I think, I just once in a while create a new account so it won't be trivially simple to doxx me.)

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by shadowgovt »

harry8 wrote: post #72
shadowgovt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBF, Google definitely doesn't collect KYC data for fun. They'd much prefer not to. But the Feds are pretty solid on the whole "Aiding and and abetting terrorism is treason" thing.

Tell them to take a hike until they come back with a warrant or at least a reasonable justifiable suspicion not dragnet surveillance. You know like google is a goddamn american company? What is this "Oh it's ok, we're just going along with the government's presumption of guilt to justify yet another power grab so that's fine." TBF Google are big enough to display some spine if they'd "prefer not to" I'm pretty solid…

> Tell them to take a hike until they come back with a warrant or at least a reasonable justifiable suspicion not dragnet surveillance

The Patriot Act doesn't work that way. Congress passed laws placing some reasonable minimum requirements on financial institutions that they have some sense of the actual identity of the people they are doing business with. Those are part of the "You're incorporated and do business in the financial sector" laws, so they're not a warrant kinda thing; a company's continued authorization to do business by law is contingent upon following them.

If you want to get into the philosophy of the Patriot Act, feel free, but if you're an individual US citizen, you have more power to change it than Google does. Google can push back, but that's a good way to get hauled in front of a Senate subcommittee or have their business practices curtailed unless the law itself changes.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by jen20 »

thr717272 wrote: post #155
nazgulsenpai wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or because he's quoting the comment in his question.

> Or because he's quoting the comment in his question. On HN the usual way to quote is like I have done above. I too react like the poster above you and would probably not quote that way except to ridicule. Hopefully there aren't many of these across my posts. (As for an almost green account commenting on HN standards I have been here is some form or another since around 2009 I think, I just once in a while create a…

It’s to quote specific words which are pertinent to the threat level implied, rather than the entire post.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by chrisandchris »

sqldba wrote: post #137
chrisandchris wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. AWS at least prefixes mails with "[ACTION REQUIRED]" if there _might_ be some action on your side required. And by coubting the mails that are coming in today with "important information", I can fully understand if you'll miss one.

I get a lot of emails (from various companies) that have "action required" and no action required at all. Usually "you've logged in from a new device, you don't need to do anything unless you've been hacked."

I get your point, and that's true. IMHO, I rather have some "action required" mails that won't need action than a single without the prefix that will require action.

Until everyone uses the prefix everytime...

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by sofixa »

oliwarner wrote: post #77

It's a shame the industry can't agree on a basic SLA: - Solicit a hard limit when you open an account. People can only afford so much, don't bankrupt them. - As soon as we see your account heading for a 10,000% increase on last month, we'll send a SMS, GIVE YOU A PHONE CALL, even send a letter and confirm everything is okay. - If you're about to trigger a suspension, we'll send you an automated SMS, and if you're a p…

> - Solicit a hard limit when you open an account. People can only afford so much, don't bankrupt them.

As is said every time this gets proposed, this is not only wildly impractical to implement, but also dangerous from an availability. Why is it impractical? You are billed for active things (running databases, network traffic) but also passive ones such as storage. What do you want AWS to do when you go over the hard limit, delete everything? As for the availability, nobody wants to lose the production environment because nobody has updated the budget with more appropriate values in years. What AWS and GCP do is allow you to set a budget, with notifications however you want them when you approach/hit it. When you get a surprise bill due to a misconfiguration or whatever, you can dispute it and cloud providers are extremely generous with them and usually waive the first few errors.

I agree with the rest though.

Re: Our production servers were suspended by Google Cloud

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Post by thr717272 »

jen20 wrote: post #157
thr717272 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or because he's quoting the comment in his question. On HN the usual way to quote is like I have done above. I too react like the poster above you and would probably not quote that way except to ridicule. Hopefully there aren't many of these across my posts. (As for an almost green account commenting on HN standards I have been here is some form or another since around 2009 I think, I just once in a while create a…

It’s to quote specific words which are pertinent to the threat level implied, rather than the entire post. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Common sense is a thing and what common sense can tell us absolutely isn't an extraordinary claim.

Edit:

By the way, what do you mean by threat level here? And FWIW, here I could have used quotes without being rude.

Also: if you read that sentence again you'll probably find that it wasn't just the use of quotes but the sentence that as a whole that made it stand out as rude.

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