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Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by gigibec »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #74
barrysteve wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long run, the British culture of checking, enduring, regulating and filling in insufficiency will be vital to balancing the world against a centralizing Asian power. There's a growing longing in people's hearts - a pull - toward authoritarian and religious control. People are chasing Moby Dick's white whale and are filling their hearts with that craving and emotional desire to follow a goal. It can be really d…

There will be no centralizing Asian power in the long run (this century). China has a fair bit of influence now, but with all the domestic problems it has, it cannot remain stable for much longer and is in for a long, irrecoverable decline.

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Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by rayiner »

Retric wrote: post #73
rayiner wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where would you move, and for what? The “wealthy and powerful” enjoy similar if not better corporate and investment tax rates in most of Western Europe as on the west coast of the US. The social services those countries have that we don’t are largely paid for by the middle and upper middle class, not the “wealthy and powerful.”

Everywhere has problems, it’s less about perfection than simply being a better option. I’ve generally considered Canada the best option for a while. English speaking, low crime, same time zone with family, etc. New Zealand, or one of the Nordic countries aren’t that far behind. Australia, England, and Western Europe etc are much lower, but still have plenty going for them. The biggest thing America has going for it i…

I'm not talking about what's perfect or not perfect. I'm talking about why OP thinks "the wealthy and powerful" are the reason for whatever shortcomings they perceive about the U.S.

Canada, for example, has basically the same corporate tax rates as the U.S. Canada's capital gains tax rate is effectively about the same as the U.S. for high income earners, because of only half of it is included in income. The social services are paid for by higher middle class taxes, including an 18% total VAT in Ontario.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by kochikame »

kypro wrote: post #54
krysp wrote: post #9

As a Brit I can't help but notice that on every axis, our country appears to be in decline at the moment. Even before Brexit, things hadn't been going well, as this article shows. It's making me seriously consider moving away. I want to have hope that as a country we can turn around this societal regression, but I fear it's a deeper problem than just the current government. The class system and an unhealthy nostalgia…

I'm considering leaving the country as soon as I'm able to also. The thing that concerns me the most is that I believe many people here have a fundamental misunderstanding of challenges we face as a country, and our class divide seems to contribute to this misunderstanding. As someone who comes from a poorer background and now socialises with people who are fairly affluent it's always surprising to me to see how much…

Could you give some examples of the misunderstandings you see between rich and poor in the UK?

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by LaLaLand122 »

nradov wrote: post #92
58028641 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

What are you saying exactly? How much should spending have increased to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution? Please give a specific number. Would that be a good use of limited resources?

Not exactly what you ask for, but "the NHS budget has traditionally risen by an average of 4% above inflation each year." (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64190440)

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by hnfong »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #74
barrysteve wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long run, the British culture of checking, enduring, regulating and filling in insufficiency will be vital to balancing the world against a centralizing Asian power. There's a growing longing in people's hearts - a pull - toward authoritarian and religious control. People are chasing Moby Dick's white whale and are filling their hearts with that craving and emotional desire to follow a goal. It can be really d…

There will be no centralizing Asian power in the long run (this century). China has a fair bit of influence now, but with all the domestic problems it has, it cannot remain stable for much longer and is in for a long, irrecoverable decline.

People have been saying this for literally 30 years now...

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by hnfong »

HWR_14 wrote: post #99
0xy wrote: post #93

The UK's doctors and nurses are essentially slaves compared to their US counterparts. They make a quarter of the pay or less for equivalent work. When your healthcare strategy is "just employ slaves so we can have free healthcare" of course people will die.

Alternatively, I don't understand why we don't have more doctors in the US and drive down prices. I mean, I understand why the AMA wants that, but doctor-work doesn't seem that hard and I have no idea why they need to make mid-six figures. I could be very wrong, of course, but it seems like most people I went to school with are capable of most doctor work.

If I'm not mistaken medical degrees in the US are postgraduate (in the UK it's undergraduate, albeit it takes more years than is typical), which increases the cost of training of a doctor (both tuition and "opportunity cost"). If you studied for 8+ years in university to become a doctor, the prospects of working as a "slave" on low salary is really unappealing.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by diordiderot »

ekianjo wrote: post #71
NegativeLatency wrote: post #55

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I don't know honestly, never been to any of these places and after moving around several times within the US I realize how nice it is to just be setted in one place, but here's what I would consider: Netherlands (I really like biking), Germany (Cologne seems like a nice vibe), France (Probably Paris, Food obviously, but I also really appreciate people's willingness to protest stuff)

> Probably Paris Paris is probably one of the worst places to live in Europe. Looks nice on postcards and it's nice to visit when you never live there, though.

Hard disagree. Paris is lovely and gets more so every day with reduced car traffic increased greenspace etc. You're mad. The only place better is Amsterdam

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by HWR_14 »

hnfong wrote: post #116
HWR_14 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, I don't understand why we don't have more doctors in the US and drive down prices. I mean, I understand why the AMA wants that, but doctor-work doesn't seem that hard and I have no idea why they need to make mid-six figures. I could be very wrong, of course, but it seems like most people I went to school with are capable of most doctor work.

If I'm not mistaken medical degrees in the US are postgraduate (in the UK it's undergraduate, albeit it takes more years than is typical), which increases the cost of training of a doctor (both tuition and "opportunity cost"). If you studied for 8+ years in university to become a doctor, the prospects of working as a "slave" on low salary is really unappealing.

Working as a doctor, even at a lower wage, isn't anything like being a slave. And yes, it probably means dropping the education requirements somewhat. People don't need to take that long after graduation to order some tests and prescribe some antibiotics.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by petre »

0xy wrote: post #89
58028641 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

NHS spending has increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010, with even more massive increases planned for 2024-25. Want a comparison? France's healthcare spending increased 0.3% yearly in the same timeframe. The UK is outpacing France's spending increases by 2,066%. The spending argument is made from political propaganda, not from fact.

France is still in the EU and has lots of former colonies to extract healthcare workers from. Their cultural diplomacy is one of the best compared to any former European colonialistic power.

Re: Why did 250k Britons die sooner than expected?

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Post by [deleted] »

0xy wrote: post #89
58028641 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cause the dollar amount is increasing doesn't mean it isn't being defunded. You have to account for inflation, population size, and population age distribution.

NHS spending has increased by over 6.5% yearly since 2010, with even more massive increases planned for 2024-25. Want a comparison? France's healthcare spending increased 0.3% yearly in the same timeframe. The UK is outpacing France's spending increases by 2,066%. The spending argument is made from political propaganda, not from fact.

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