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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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"Healthy Obesity" does exist. But it is vanishingly rare. When one's body has to support a large amount of muscle mass, it also needs a lot of fat to offset it. This sort of body composition is usually the result of "explosive" training taken to failure (or near it), which (probably) excretes more lactic acid all at once. People on steroids are the exception. AFAIK increasing total reps (lower intensity) instead of going to failure (higher intensity) doesn't help exclusively with fat loss after a certain threshold, you can see that in the different compositions of sprinters / marathoners (or for a more honest comparison, triathletes). You can see "healthy obesity" in people like Kyriakos Grizzly and Eddie Hall (pre-cut).

The human body needs fat and muscle to be in tandem. Deviation to the extreme of either end is very unhealthy and is quickly corrected by the body, given bare minimum stimulus. Absent this, you'll get the beetus and other things. High body fat can also protect you, for example, obese smokers are healthier on average than skinny smokers. All that poison goes to their fat, because fat pretty much acts as a sponge in the body. That's why "pink cheeks", "baby cheeks" are a sign of long-term health. It takes a very long time (years, if not over a decade) of a proper, modern-toxin-free diet to remove toxins from the body. In the absence of proper amounts of protein and fat your body usually likes to isolate harmful things, which can lead to myriad conditions down the line, even if you've been exercising for years and have been "healthy".

Also, related to the title of the main post, sugar and whole grains (processed flour is basically sugar) and horribly addictive. Obese people that have difficulty quitting / have side-effects from quitting might as well have entire regions of their brain dedicated to timing the intake of sugar precisely, at the expense of their mental functioning. So they would inevitably feel out of energy / motivation after a while, and would need food.

Also, the easiest way to lose fat and gain muscle is to subject your body to external weights. It doesn't even have to be very heavy. If you're obese, you could OHP 10kg every other day and lose a significant amount of fat, even without changing your diet (assuming it's not really horrible)

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I wonder what's going to happen long term to the recent trend of celebrating obesity in advertising. E.g. go to any Target and you will see overweight or obese models wearing the clothes they sell. On one hand you have to represent your current population, and with the majority of Americans overweight or obese, that's who your customers are. On the other, can this be seen as normalizing a disease?

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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> BMI You don't need to look at BMI, or any number besides fat % for that matter, to see we have a massive fucking issue. If your belly protrudes far enough that you can't see your own feet, big boned or not, you're obese Obesity is BMI 30+, unless you're a semi-pro/pro athlete or have genetic defects at 30+ BMI you're definitely fat af, here are examples of 30 BMI: https://www.lipedema.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08…

Does the bodybuilder has 30 BMI cause of muscle weight?

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> Being fat seems to be the most appealing one It's not the most appealing one, it's the hardest one to manage. You can not smoke, you can not drink alcohol, you can not take drugs, but you cannot not eat.

You can eat real food instead of processed garbage, for starters. Nobody's getting fat eating vegetables.

There's a popular internet myth that junk food is cheaper than veggies. Of course it isn't true; junk food is more expensive by weight than anything in the produce aisle, with possible exceptions for exotic imported fruits. How this myth survives people wandering around a grocery store looking at price stickers is beyond my comprehension. A 5lb bag of potatoes costs less than a half pound bag of potato chips.

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I think there are several reasons: 1. Historically being fat was considered a sign of good health. Of course, this was during times of massive food scarcity and the definition of fat was probably very different from what we consider fat today. 2. Massive amounts of money involved in telling people to eat/drink more, and then spend more money in gyms and taking pills to lose that weight. As opposed to just eating less…

I'm interested in 3. Is there any research or data about that? I do not encourage fat shaming at all, but I can also imagine that in some cases shame may be a powerful motivator for some people. Is there hard data showing that it actually makes it harder?

Consider that some cases of overeating are driven by the dopamine bump food provides. Perhaps you are depressed, or bored, or insecure.

If you are shamed for your body, you feel even worse; you may then eat even more to feel better.

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A general rule is that you burn about 100 calories in a mile jog. A 12oz can of Coke has about 140 calories, a quarter of a cup of nuts has about 200 calories, an apple has about 100 calories. Exercise is important for many reasons, but not for preventing obesity. Unless you're running marathons, or exercising like somebody who is, the amount of calories you will burn from exercising will in no way whatsoever compare…

Exercise is the key to fighting bad inflammation, making it the key to fight off a legion of inflammatory diseases including many related cancers.

Is that so? I often get headaches after excercise, that only go away after taking anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen. So I always thought exercise triggers inflammation for me (especially if I go harder than usual).

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> Being fat seems to be the most appealing one It's not the most appealing one, it's the hardest one to manage. You can not smoke, you can not drink alcohol, you can not take drugs, but you cannot not eat.

You can eat real food instead of processed garbage, for starters. Nobody's getting fat eating vegetables.

Actually, cutting potatoes and other starchy vegetables is a major part of weight loss for a lot of people.

High-starch vegetables are a major contributor to obesity.

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The old line goes > Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you. I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly b…

> I get to eat what I want and sit around all day? Hell yeah!

I am naturally thin. That statement ("i get to eat what i want and sit around all day") is true of my body. Is it such a strange idea that there are as many people who are naturally thin as there are that are naturally fat? Those people aren't making a choice to be fat any more than i am making a choice to be thin. Why should they feel bad about their body?

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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"Healthy Obesity" does exist. But it is vanishingly rare. When one's body has to support a large amount of muscle mass, it also needs a lot of fat to offset it. This sort of body composition is usually the result of "explosive" training taken to failure (or near it), which (probably) excretes more lactic acid all at once. People on steroids are the exception. AFAIK increasing total reps (lower intensity) instead of g…

It doesn't exist. Sumo wrestlers are as you describe, with a large amount of muscle and a large amount of fat. And they die young. Sadly, Kyriakos Grizzly will almost certainly die young.

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I wonder what's going to happen long term to the recent trend of celebrating obesity in advertising. E.g. go to any Target and you will see overweight or obese models wearing the clothes they sell. On one hand you have to represent your current population, and with the majority of Americans overweight or obese, that's who your customers are. On the other, can this be seen as normalizing a disease?

Lol. Advertising and modelling have been normalising eating disorders for a long time. They're just more inclusive about it now.
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