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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Post by dpkirchner »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #11
lockhouse wrote: post #3

There’s really no getting around the fact that you need to live an active life of consuming things in moderation to be healthy.

The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

My #1 hack is not having low-quality, high-sugar snacks in my house. Instead of sugared soda I have flavored soda water (Fresca, specifically) and sugar-free cola. When I do indulge in snacks I don't buy bulk, I buy the small packages, even though they're more expensive per ounce. In fact, that they're more expensive is a plus.

If I have to go way out of the way to binge on junk I'm probably not going to do it.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

kennywinker wrote: post #71

Did they control for anti-fat bias? Unlikely. Especially in the medical system, fat people don't get their body issues taken seriously. The stress of being treated poorly by everyone in your life undoubtedly has a huge impact on your lifespan. Did they control for efforts to change you body? Most fat people are trying to be thinner. Plenty of ways that people are told to change their body involve extreme stress to yo…

Whataboutism 101

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Post by irrational »

dudul wrote: post #70
rhaway84773 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are several reasons: 1. Historically being fat was considered a sign of good health. Of course, this was during times of massive food scarcity and the definition of fat was probably very different from what we consider fat today. 2. Massive amounts of money involved in telling people to eat/drink more, and then spend more money in gyms and taking pills to lose that weight. As opposed to just eating less…

I'm interested in 3. Is there any research or data about that? I do not encourage fat shaming at all, but I can also imagine that in some cases shame may be a powerful motivator for some people. Is there hard data showing that it actually makes it harder?

Anecdotally, I made a comment to a non-obese 20 something year old about how it is unhealthy to be obese. They went absolutely ballistic saying that I was fat-shaming and that you can’t say obesity is unhealthy.

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Post by lm28469 »

ithrow wrote: post #88
lm28469 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> BMI You don't need to look at BMI, or any number besides fat % for that matter, to see we have a massive fucking issue. If your belly protrudes far enough that you can't see your own feet, big boned or not, you're obese Obesity is BMI 30+, unless you're a semi-pro/pro athlete or have genetic defects at 30+ BMI you're definitely fat af, here are examples of 30 BMI: https://www.lipedema.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08…

Does the bodybuilder has 30 BMI cause of muscle weight?

Yes: https://becomingbeautifultoday.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/c...

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Post by ejstronge »

chitowneats wrote: post #68
somenameforme wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A general rule is that you burn about 100 calories in a mile jog. A 12oz can of Coke has about 140 calories, a quarter of a cup of nuts has about 200 calories, an apple has about 100 calories. Exercise is important for many reasons, but not for preventing obesity. Unless you're running marathons, or exercising like somebody who is, the amount of calories you will burn from exercising will in no way whatsoever compare…

The critical piece you're missing is that building and maintaining muscle mass increases your metabolism greatly. Michael Phelps eats 10,000 calories a day. This an extreme example, but the principle is true for all of us.

Supposedly the 10,000 calorie diet of Michael Phelps is marketing vs factual. I don’t have a source for this (but happy to search if requested) but humans are not likely to be able to absorb 10,000 calories daily; I believe the maximum is a function of one’s basal metabolism but would lie around 6,500 calories for an elite athlete.

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Post by psychphysic »

The old line goes

> Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you.

I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse.

Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly balanced diet.

Mosy of us will achieve all that, just do what you can.

There's loads of nasty ways to mess up your health. Being fat seems to be the most appealing one (I get to eat what I want and sit around all day? Hell yeah!).

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Post by iLoveOncall »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #76

I wonder what's going to happen long term to the recent trend of celebrating obesity in advertising. E.g. go to any Target and you will see overweight or obese models wearing the clothes they sell. On one hand you have to represent your current population, and with the majority of Americans overweight or obese, that's who your customers are. On the other, can this be seen as normalizing a disease?

Nothing at all unless it is forbidden by law, which it won't be. Walmart wants to make a profit, so showing how clothes look on your body is better to achieve this goal.

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Post by bl_valance »

stametseater wrote: post #5

What interests me is how anybody could ever come to believe otherwise. The contrary belief flies in the face of all common sense, popular experience and medical science. It seems to come entirely from propaganda on social media telling fat people what they want to believe.

Simple, because it's easier to convince people that being overweight is perfectly fine and healthy. As opposed to changing diets, exercising, and holding companies accountable for the junk they put in our food to cut costs.

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Post by wkat4242 »

max47 wrote: post #65
newaccount2023 wrote: post #35

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> this is why I will never get behind socialized healthcare...I'm not footing the bill for the increasing number of people who push these beliefs Sadly, the US is paying as much per capita for healthcare as countries with free healthcare. A private system costs a lot more to run even when they are managed by people with good intentions.

When I hear that in the US health insurance can cost upwards of $1000 a month, I really think something is severely broken in the system there.

In the Netherlands it costs around 150 with good services. In Spain it's free but no way the tax expenditure is that high because most people don't even make much more than 1000 euro.

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Post by mc32 »

kennywinker wrote: post #85
mc32 wrote: post #26

I don’t know if we’re capable of pushing against the tipping point, but if feels like it will be arduous to return to a point where being obese is frowned upon and not hidden under figleaves. We have an entire body positivity movement that makes people feel good about obesity. Culturally we’ve come to celebrate it. How do we expect people to keep fit under this culture? The main interests that benefit are junkfood on…

In what world are you living? Being obese is and always has been frowned upon. There is a small faction of people who believe that nobody should be treated poorly for having a body that doesn't fit an ideal. You specifically say that body positivity "makes people feel good about obesity". Which, said another way, seems like you think "people should feel bad if they are fat". Why would you wish for someone to feel bad…

Are you saying someone who is an alcoholic should feel happy about being an alcoholic and just live it up because, why would I as an alcoholic try and not be an alcoholic if society is telling me I have no agency over it.
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