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Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by erenyeager »

ck425 wrote: post #70
nostromo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abhorrent behavior How can any sane person watch this video and say her behavior was "abhorrent?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6E105a58p8 Videos like this make me so thankful for the US constitution.

The behaviour in a vacuum might not be so bad but she was consciously trying to test how far she could go before they broke a law made specifically due to anti-abortion protesters like her intimidating woman to the point they wouldn't use the services.

Still shows what a police state the UK is, this lady is arrested and she was not causing any disturbance. Do we really want to live in a society where people who did not commit a crime are locked up?

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by FireBeyond »

908B64B197 wrote: post #104
b112 wrote: post #97

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Sadly, other political bodies do this as well, and it is becoming more common. That clause, I agree, was a mistake. Still, the charter has at least been beneficial in many court cases, and caused many laws to be turfed (many of which, are just dropped forever).

>> especially in Quebec where the government actively pre-empts it It would make sense for Quebec to ignore it since, well, they didn't sign it. Just like the US constitution doesn't apply since, well, Canada didn't sign it. > Sadly, other political bodies do this as well, and it is becoming more common. What makes no sense is the federal government can apparently decide to "suspend the constitution" as it pleases (a…

> and did so for peaceful freedom of speech demonstrations by truckers recently

Ahh yes, the "speech" of 160dB ship horns for 22 hours a day for 3 weeks in residential neighborhoods.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by ChickenNugger »

SkeuomorphicBee wrote: post #31
cldellow wrote: post #19

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TBH, I think the conduct of the cops is fine here. If someone alleges that the other party is making death threats, I want them to investigate. It's not alleged that the cops mistreated Mr. Epstein. Obviously being arrested is traumatic, but the fault here lies with the unhinged neighbour, who will hopefully be prosecuted. What's beyond the pale for me is that the Crown prosecutor brought the lawsuit at all. She's ev…

If all the police did was investigate, then their conduct would have been fine. But they arrested him, and that is not adequate conduct.

Sometimes they're ordered to and it's not their call.

I'm not saying this is the case here, but here's a hilariously well documented instance: https://ymeskhout.substack.com/p/sorry-for-arresting-you

Yes, yes I know "just following orders" shouldn't be an excuse.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by ttul »

phkahler wrote: post #93

Another great nugget: >> This deplorable Laval reference is worthy of an eye roll that could sever both optical nerves. When a Karen presses charges...

For those who don’t know Montreal, Laval is a suburb of the city. It’s mostly white, French-speaking majority has been in decline for years relative to newcomers who speak other languages - including anglophone Canadian. The complainants in the case are definitely Québecois and emblematic of the resentment toward newcomers expressed by many.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by ttul »

It is indeed shocking that this poor man was arrested, charged, and taken through a full prosecution despite the obviously flawed evidence. The crown prosecutor erred so greatly in taking this case on that it strains belief. In Canada, the crown turns down all sorts of cases if they aren’t highly confident they can win. This one? Prosecutors are appointed, not elected. They have nothing to gain from such legal tourism and whomever brought this case forward will have a black mark on their credentials for some time.

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Post by nucleardog »

FireBeyond wrote: post #112
908B64B197 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> especially in Quebec where the government actively pre-empts it It would make sense for Quebec to ignore it since, well, they didn't sign it. Just like the US constitution doesn't apply since, well, Canada didn't sign it. > Sadly, other political bodies do this as well, and it is becoming more common. What makes no sense is the federal government can apparently decide to "suspend the constitution" as it pleases (a…

> and did so for peaceful freedom of speech demonstrations by truckers recently Ahh yes, the "speech" of 160dB ship horns for 22 hours a day for 3 weeks in residential neighborhoods.

Yep. If you don’t live in Ottawa, please stop trying to tell us how peaceful and reasonable the attempt at overthrowing our democratically elected government, attended by nazis flying swastikas on our monuments and involving people trying to burn down buildings, was.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by SonicScrub »

908B64B197 wrote: post #84
tjohns wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first amendment to the US constitution does not apply to Canada. Unless you believe US law is globally binding. (That said, Canada does have their own freedom of speech, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.)

> That said, Canada does have their own freedom of speech, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So basically the same amendment, covering the same rights and inspired by the same document (pretty sure the US constitution came first) just under a different name.

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was inspired by documents such as the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Other international influences included the 1950 European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The concept of individual freedoms existed in Canada long before the Charter was put pen to paper, as it inherited its culture from European origins, where elightenment ideals had been evolving since the 17th century. So the Charter and the US Constitution are similar (but do differ in a few important areas) because they are derived from the same set of values.

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Post by digitallyfree »

skeaker wrote: post #32
matbilodeau wrote: post #2

Court decision http://citoyens.soquij.qc.ca/php/decision.php?ID=B4064956004...

This was a much more entertaining read than the link the OP, in my opinion. I didn't realize official court documents could have such an attitude. The guy that wrote this fuckin hates the complainants and it shows, hahaha

Yeah I was surprised that they wrote an official court document like that, with plenty of sarcasm and snark. I actually wanted to keep reading it all the way to the end.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by dang »

namuol wrote: post #53
belval wrote: post #8

If you look past the headline, this story is almost "basic sanity". The guy's neighbour didn't want the accused's kids playing in the street (in the suburbs) because they have a yard. To "prove" his point that it was dangerous he drove recklessly around the kids in the street. The accused flipped him off and (allegedly because he denies it) threatened him. Now frankly, I don't see why this would be hackernews-worthy,…

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