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Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

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Yikes. Does anyone have an idea of which orgs have significant exposure (like Molly White's FTX contagion graph[0])? [0] https://www.mollywhite.net/etc/ftx-contagion

Potential contagion: https://imgur.com/a/Xh6Kudp These are companies, sorted by PPP loan size who had SVB as their servicer.

Something to note: This list is not exhaustive. There was about 3.8k companies with svb as their servicer. That also doesn't mean all of their money was in SVB.

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#812

In the previous thread, someone posted a video showing the process of the FDIC seizing the Heritage Community Bank in Chicago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIh6NEBL8BU It's pretty interesting.

Thank you for that link, it was really fascinating. The Australian government guarantees deposits in the same way, but I never realised this was also true in the US. I had assumed during the mortgage crisis that people lost their deposited money when their banks failed.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#813

We bank with SVB and our funds are now frozen. This is going to be an incredibly painful weekend of waiting for news. For anyone else impacted, wishing you the best - stay strong.

If you don't have more that 250k cash in there you should be good.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first glance, bank balance sheets are unintuitive and feel 'the wrong way round'. When someone deposits $1m at a bank, the bank doesn't have $1m more assets, it has $1m more liabilities. (Yes, this is a gross over-simplification)

Not an expert, but was having some thoughts. Let debt be a graph where the nodes are people (with ledgers) and the edges are all of the form "alice rents $x from bob for y% APR". Actions that resolve/relax graph are payments of the form "alice pays bob $z", that lead to all balances being 0. Let the edges decay to null when balance is 0, such that a 'resolved graph' is simply a list of nodes with no edges, meaning 'n…

Convert “$x” into “something Alice wants”. Alice doesn’t really want $x, she wants a new car, a house, a vacation, a new machine for her factory.

Now “They want to (add, prevent from decay) as many edges as possible” becomes “They want to encourage different parties to lend each other things they want”.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#815

Does this mean $SIVB stock holders who had $265 shares two days ago now have worthless shares? JFC no wonder bank stocks are priced so low compared to earnings... You're just hoping the dividends pay out enough before the inevitable implosion.

They will be getting something but probably close to pennies on the dollar. Depends on how it gets repackaged and sold.

The depositors, creditors, employees etc. all have to be paid first. I would be surprised if they can even do that, much less have anything left over for stockholders

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#816

We bank with SVB and our funds are now frozen. This is going to be an incredibly painful weekend of waiting for news. For anyone else impacted, wishing you the best - stay strong.

If you don't have more that 250k cash in there you should be good.

Unless they needed to pay their employees or vendors today.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#817

2008 bear sterns vibes. The fed's move in interests rates was bound to break something. This is the first big name and, while banks are taken over by the FDIC often and it never makes the news, this one will be especially interesting bc it is Silicon Valley Bank. Naturally, people and the media will associate with the rest of silicon valley, bringing extra scrutiny to every brand name tech company, especially the one…

It’s not interesting because of its name, it’s the 18th largest bank in the US. A domino that big usually doesn’t fall alone. Also, FDIC hasn’t taken over a bank since 2020. This isn’t exactly a common occurrence.

I know very little about this, but the wikipedia page says it's the second largest bank failure in the history of the US, so maybe you're underselling it a bit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_Bank

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#818
Wow:

> Some banking experts on Friday pointed out that a bank as large as Silicon Valley Bank might have managed its interest rate risks better had parts of the Dodd-Frank financial-regulatory package, put in place after the 2008 crisis, not been rolled back under President Trump.

> In 2018, Mr. Trump signed a bill that lessened regulatory scrutiny for many regional banks. Silicon Valley Bank’s chief executive, Greg Becker, was a strong supporter of the change, which removed the requirement that banks with assets under $250 billion submit to stress testing by the Fed, and changed requirements for the amount of cash they had to keep on their balance sheets to protect against shocks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/business/silicon-valley-b...

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital." Sticking to unrealistic goals seems to to be the downfall of a lot of financial institutions (and probably a lot of other companies). Same happened with Deutsche Bank in the 2000s. The CEO declared that they wanted to achieve higher ROI and to achieve this they had to start doing ever riskier stuff until it blew up in their faces (and the taxpayer generously…

Exactly that. I am wondering why the “pressure” to generate more yield or any yield at all. It is counterintuitive to me to view the startups deposits as investments and not as saved money to be used later, hence no need for a risky or any yield (even if part of the savings will be washed by inflation year over year)

It's not clear under what conditions the startups gave money to SVB. It could be they just put into a checking account and SVB then invested it in a risky manner.

Re: FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank

#820

An explainer post [1] connected to that Tweet is something I found extremely informative (assuming it's accurate): "- In 2021 SVB saw a mass influx in deposits, which jumped from $61.76bn at the end of 2019 to $189.20bn at the end of 2021. - As deposits grew, SVB could not grow their loan book fast enough to generate the yield they wanted to see on this capital. As a result, they purchased a large amount (over $80bn!…

Affecting stripe payouts too: https://support.stripe.com/questions/important-information-a...

Stripe stopped payouts to SVB bank accounts. Seems reasonable.
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