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KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by KptMarchewa »

CalChris wrote: post #48
dale_glass wrote: post #41

This sounds pretty silly. Now fuck Russia and all, but this guy is convinced that Russia managed to worm into American consciousness in the mid 80s, to the point of raising an entire generation of people who believe what Russia wants them to believe. That just doesn't add up to me. Now not being American I don't know what things were over there, but at least I can recall that in the 80s and 90s, Russians were the sta…

I agree about the 80s. If anything, we viewed them as a bigger threat than they really were, our defense industry in particular. But the USSR fell apart in 1989 and Russia was a spent force in the 90s. We bought Ukraine’s nukes with money because we could. But we, George W Bush really, then underestimated Russia in the 2000s.

>But we, George W Bush really, then underestimated Russia in the 2000s.

True, but then Obama really fucked it up with "reset". And that was after Georgia War.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

#102

Post by largepeepee »

colpabar wrote: post #79
ImHereToVote wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a quote of link to the "three days to Kyiv" comment from the Russian Federation?

I hate talking about downvotes but it is really odd that you're being downvoted for asking for a source. Source are requested all the time on this website, and only in certain cases do they get downvoted like this. Hopefully your comment won't be gray in a few hours when more people participate in the thread. I would like to see a source as well, because I want to see sources for all claims I encounter online. Why sh…

Very strange how anyone asking for sources abt any politically charged issue on social media gets immediately attacked.

No wonder social media starts to circulate the most bonkers things when no one is allowed to question even verifiable statements.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by etiam »

philwelch wrote: post #86
dralley wrote: post #42

Modern Russian propaganda is not all that similar to anything the Soviet Union was interested in. There is no serious ideological backbone to it. It's all about putting out multitudes of conflicting narratives, giving people the "choice" to latch onto the ones they sympathize with most closely, and undermining the very concept of truth, democracy etc. "alternative facts", if you will. Timothy Snyder's description is…

Modern Russia is fundamentally not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union, at least according to its own mythology, was an instantiation of communist ideology. Modern Russia is not an ideological state in the same way; if it's motivated by anything, it's base nationalism.

Contemporary Cheka is a direct continuation of the predecessors though?

The promised ideology may have been revised and revised again, but in practice the implementation of authoritarianism seems pretty stable.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by wil421 »

dale_glass wrote: post #41

This sounds pretty silly. Now fuck Russia and all, but this guy is convinced that Russia managed to worm into American consciousness in the mid 80s, to the point of raising an entire generation of people who believe what Russia wants them to believe. That just doesn't add up to me. Now not being American I don't know what things were over there, but at least I can recall that in the 80s and 90s, Russians were the sta…

To say the American people were full of Marxism in the 80s and 90s is completely made up. I would say today is closer to what he was taking about than the 80s every were.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by somenameforme »

jemmyw wrote: post #73
narrator wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an eerily prophetic work by the high-ranking Eastern European military defector Golitsyn called "The Perestroika Deception"[1] in which he says that Perestroika is a strategic retreat because the Soviets know they are too far behind technologically to have any hope of defeating the west. They will however use that retreat to acquire modern technology and improve their economy so they can ultimately conquer t…

≥ Poseidon system[3] which is a 100mt radioactive tsunami fully autonomous doomsday weapon No where on that page does it say it is automated or carries 100mt. The only place it mentions tsunami is where it discredits the idea this weapon could cause one.

It says both of those things...

- 100 megaton: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpos...

- automated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status-6_Oceanic_Multipurpos...

The part about it somehow discrediting the idea that detonating a nuclear weapon under the ocean would cause a tsunami is why it's often a good idea to check sources, and not take Wikipedia at face value. From the source they cite: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-doomsday-weapon-subma...

"A well-placed nuclear weapon of yield in the range 20 MT to 50 MT near a sea coast could certainly couple enough energy to equal the 2011 tsunami, and perhaps much more," Rex Richardson, a physicist who researches nuclear weapons, told Business Insider in March, referring to the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami that killed more than 15,000 people in Japan.

"Taking advantage of the rising-sea-floor amplification effect, tsunami waves reaching 100 meters in height" — about 330 feet — "are possible," he said."

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by lnsru »

Luc wrote: post #66
sorokod wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because "almost every night" I assume he is not mobilized. Why would that be so?

300k mobilized in a population of 143 million, so about 2 per thousand.

That’s official numbers. There is no chance to check really how many were mobilized. Add Wagner prisoners and one can’t tell anymore anything.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by CalChris »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #101
CalChris wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree about the 80s. If anything, we viewed them as a bigger threat than they really were, our defense industry in particular. But the USSR fell apart in 1989 and Russia was a spent force in the 90s. We bought Ukraine’s nukes with money because we could. But we, George W Bush really, then underestimated Russia in the 2000s.

>But we, George W Bush really, then underestimated Russia in the 2000s. True, but then Obama really fucked it up with "reset". And that was after Georgia War.

So I suppose that getting Putin to sign off on Gaddafi’s removal was part of that fuckup. Libya was a Russian satellite and Russia has a veto at the UN Security Council.

Given the two dumb wars that Obama was saddled with, I thought he navigated things pretty well.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by norwalkbear »

wil421 wrote: post #104
dale_glass wrote: post #41

This sounds pretty silly. Now fuck Russia and all, but this guy is convinced that Russia managed to worm into American consciousness in the mid 80s, to the point of raising an entire generation of people who believe what Russia wants them to believe. That just doesn't add up to me. Now not being American I don't know what things were over there, but at least I can recall that in the 80s and 90s, Russians were the sta…

To say the American people were full of Marxism in the 80s and 90s is completely made up. I would say today is closer to what he was taking about than the 80s every were.

He says it takes three generations to reveal, so 80/90s being the start of subversion makes perfect sense.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Post by norwalkbear »

nlrtpx wrote: post #87

It is strange how this interview is currently used. Clearly Bezmenov alleges that the subversion tactics were promoting original left-wing causes since the 1960s: He cites Hippie culture, pilgrimages to India, cultural marxism, etc. Basically everything that Reagan did not like. Now the ruling party are Democrats, and apparently the same interview is used to prove current Russian disinformation, i.e. (alleged) right…

It sounds like subversion happened starting in the 80/90s lead to rise of the current Democrat party.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

#110

Post by somenameforme »

jabl wrote: post #91
narrator wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an eerily prophetic work by the high-ranking Eastern European military defector Golitsyn called "The Perestroika Deception"[1] in which he says that Perestroika is a strategic retreat because the Soviets know they are too far behind technologically to have any hope of defeating the west. They will however use that retreat to acquire modern technology and improve their economy so they can ultimately conquer t…

> "The Perestroika Deception"[1] in which he says that Perestroika is a strategic retreat because the Soviets know they are too far behind technologically to have any hope of defeating the west. They will however use that retreat to acquire modern technology and improve their economy so they can ultimately conquer the west. Such generations lasting grand conspiracies just sound too fanciful to take seriously. I think…

ICBMs can, at least in theory, be countered by effective anti-ballistic defense systems. The point of the 'tsunami nukes' is to sidestep that defense.
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