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KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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A useful tactic for your belief or disbelief is to follow the thread of belief to it's origin and see if you endorse that individual.

Many of the pillars of present-day progressivism and conservatism can be traced to a few key philosophers , academics & politicians from the 20s-60s.

Those ideologies will become more grounded when you see the kind of person those thoughts came from.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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For e ti's shocking how much people are in denial about this. In spite of us seeing with our own eyes that this strategy is being deployed and it works, it works depressingly well. In spite of that, many people I know try to dismiss the video, the speaker, and the main message conveyed by it. It is as if we got blind by our own request.

Asserting that everyone is "seeing it with their own eyes" is kind of weird, since you can only see with your own eyes. It's a certain kind of solipsism that I'm personally getting rather tired of.

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> This has nothing to do with Reagan. Bezmenov defected to Canada. And the interviewer is an American. They're talking about American conditions. Where he defected isn't that important within that context. Additionally, he moved to Los Angeles a couple of years before this interview was conducted. Specifically to have an easier time connecting with his audience.

He was back in Canada by 1989 until he died in Canada in 1993.

He was obviously powerless to influence US politics from Canada, but from Russia..

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Even worse, the US is about to ban TikTok. At first I thought they were only going to ban it for government and contractor devices, but it seems now that it will be banned for everyone. I don't use TikTok and probably never will, but how is this bill even constitutionally legal? I understand the concerns about data collection, but the USG seems more concerned about WHO is doing the collecting rather than the collecti…

> the US is about to ban TikTok

There are a LOT more steps to making a bill a law[0] than this, so “about to” is pretty disingenuous.

[0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo

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"The US" doesn't accuse anyone. We who know anything about Russia might however. And, I think if you look around a little you'll find access to outside information and options to distribute it way harder in Russia. Also, the lies they serve are hilarious: just today I saw a video with one of the chief propagandists claiming on TV that people in the UK hunt squirrels for food :-)

From the UK, there are definitely people in the UK who hunt squirrels for food. My people!

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It's crazy. I know a Russian guy who is exactly like this; I debate with him all the time. Almost every night. About the war. Bluntly invested in winning, regardless of what the system looks like; even admitting that it's a terrible system; using weak arguments for why people need structural dominance, while simultaneously arguing in favor of "the people" - (and using a historical American failings as a way to draw f…

Because "almost every night" I assume he is not mobilized. Why would that be so?

300k mobilized in a population of 143 million, so about 2 per thousand.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Summary of near-14-minute video, since I certainly wished someone else had posted one to help me decide whether to watch: Says the KGB works mainly at ideological subversion of the enemy society, not James Bond stuff. This has 4 stages: - Demoralization. Slow, takes at least a generation to take hold or be reversed. U.S. is 3 generations in, graduates have positions of influence, and now it's mostly done by Americans…

It would certainly explain how "political correctness" a soviet concept made it into the american public consciousness far more than other nations of the world.

Edited: Since I'm being downvoted. Political Correctness wasn't really a thing until around the 80's, the same time period as the cold war. It really is acommunist term. The term "political correctness" first appeared in Marxist–Leninist vocabulary following the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Yuri is saying the KGB was enacting total war decades ago, and that it takes several generations to see the change. When you can see over the course of 30 years, how political correct seeped into the american consciousness, yet somehow skipped over many other parts of the world. I think it's worth looking into, and thinking critically.

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This ties well into the "three days to Kyiv" expectation at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russians really did think that Ukraine had been subverted to a degree that it would just roll over and die; that leadership would run away and local resistance would be limited to disorganized pockets that riot police could suppress, but their informants and agents just stole the money and reported what the Kreml…

Is there a quote of link to the "three days to Kyiv" comment from the Russian Federation?

Not from Putin directly. There were a lot of actions taken by the Russian government which just imply it. High ranking Russian officials that booked reservations for restaurants in Kyiv the week after the invasion, troops taking their dress uniforms instead of food, a pre-scheduled propaganda essay that was accidentally released on the 28th which retained language implying that Kyiv had already been taken and so forth.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/09/russia-putin-propaganda...

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This sounds pretty silly. Now fuck Russia and all, but this guy is convinced that Russia managed to worm into American consciousness in the mid 80s, to the point of raising an entire generation of people who believe what Russia wants them to believe. That just doesn't add up to me. Now not being American I don't know what things were over there, but at least I can recall that in the 80s and 90s, Russians were the sta…

If you listened to the entire interview, I don’t know how you managed to mentally substitute the term “Russia” for the term “Marxism-Leninism” for 15 entire minutes. The man is talking about ideological subversion. It’s not about nationalism. It’s about the propagation of leftist ideology.

McCarthyism was in the 1950’s and by the 80’s had already been “discredited” as some sort of witch hunt.

Bezmenov already says in 1985 that the ideological program had succeeded beyond all expectations and that Americans were doing most of the work for them. That, coupled with the collapse of the USSR, would allow that leftist ideology to mutate into the forms we see today.

I’m not entirely convinced Yuri is telling the truth here, but I thought it would be useful to clarify and perhaps steelman what he is saying, and what that would imply to us in 2023.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This ties well into the "three days to Kyiv" expectation at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russians really did think that Ukraine had been subverted to a degree that it would just roll over and die; that leadership would run away and local resistance would be limited to disorganized pockets that riot police could suppress, but their informants and agents just stole the money and reported what the Kreml…

Is there a quote of link to the "three days to Kyiv" comment from the Russian Federation?

Whilst I do not have a YouTube link, I do have seen several Russian pundits imply that Ukrainians would capitulate in 3 days, Russia just has to sneeze their way and they'd keel over, etc.
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