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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many employers effectively force exempt employees to work 12 hour days.
Then don't take a salary. Nobody is forcing you to work for a nice salary. If you want to be paid by the hour so that every hour is accounted for then go for it.
I don’t think they were complaining about being paid per hour or not, just the expectation in many salaried jobs you work arbitrarily long hours in a competition with the nerd next to you for how much you can sacrifice for your employer.
I later in my career learned you can actually invert it by just being really effective in a shorter number of hours and work 6 hours a day and just leave the nerd next to you to expire from burnout. But it helps being later in my career and knowing how to be more effective in a shorter time.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#113My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?
Does she work more than 40 hours / week? If so, she very likely gets paid 1.5x for any hours worked above 40. Do you think Apple and Foxconn are paying Indian women time and a half for hours above 40? That said, I'm nearly 100% certain that these women would rather have these jobs working in a clean facility than the alternative.
Although it's not great to need to work that much, you can make absolute bank doing overtime.
My mom's a nurse and occasionally gets called in out of the blue if there's shortages. If she agrees, she can get x2 to sometimes even x3 depending on what time and day of the year it is.
As much of a drag it can be getting woken up to work, she still gets excited when it happens because of how good the pay is.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gut Reaction - How short of shifts would make those things okay? 10 hour? 8 hour? 6 hour?
You know that I never said those things were OK. So maybe think for a moment before posting gut reactions.
My point is that the horrible sorts of working conditions which you mention are orthogonal to the shift length. EDIT: So if they are doing the things you mention (or exposing workers to asbestos, or paying starvation wages, or whatever), then that would be the real problem, which needs to be treated as such.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#115Well, Apple/Foxconn gonna do Apple/Foxconn. But India really needs to look at growing unemployment problem for its massive population. Working hours need to be set like 30-40h a week. It helps nation (not necessarily companies) in two ways:
1) Employees to not get overworked as a rule. 2) Companies can hire more employees and run more shifts if they need 24/7 work.
Right now there are huge number of young people sitting at home for years unable to find any employment and other few are being overworked.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#116Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#117Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
What’s the next best alternative?
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#118Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
True. We wouldn’t want women to be able to earn as much as men in India. It’s important to take a principled stand against gender parity and punish these guys with your wallet.
Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#119Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India
#120Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
Wait what? Because of 12 hour shifts? Should I not use hospitals either? Or are you referring to other working conditions unrelated to 12 hour shifts?