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Post by vel0city »

icelancer wrote: post #225
vel0city wrote: post #204

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You're not understanding how lossy compression encoders work. Try recompressing a JPEG a few dozen times. Or take an MP3 and export it from Audacity, open the export, export as MP3 again a dozen times and see what it sounds like. All those artifacts keep getting amplified every time you re-encode until it's practically just the artifacts. Every time you render and recompress you're losing information, it's lossy comp…

Thought for sure it was going to be the legendary Hank Hill JPEG meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos

I just want a picture of a got-dang hot dog!

Truly a classic.

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Post by MBCook »

tcmart14 wrote: post #224
MBCook wrote: post #211

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> It is pointless to deter casual piracy when one "professional" pirate is enough to free the content. For the piracy scene, sure. It’s irrelevant. But for normal people the difference is huge. They may not know how to pirate content, where to go to find it, or be willing risk downloading it and getting in trouble (scary FBI warnings and ISP letters). But once it’s trivial due to the lack of protection it will be all…

The way I like to put it is with an phrase your hear sometimes in the lock picking community. Locks actually don't really offer much protection. Their main function is to "keep an honest man honest."

Perfect saying. For DRM it needs to be effective enough to stop most people, even if that’s very weak in absolute terms.

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Post by zamnos »

wil421 wrote: post #276
zamnos wrote: post #210

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Back when it was sold on physical media; CDs, Bluray, DVD or floppy disk. Because it was a physical disk, you were allowed to do whatever you want with that disk. You weren't given the right to copy it and distribute those copies thanks to copyright, but you were allowed to resell your one physical copy due to the first sale doctrine. Hence we can quibble about the definition of "buy software", but we used to be able…

I don’t remember it being like that with CDs and floppy’s. I’m pretty sure most of them were still a license to play. Looking at my Diablo II (version 1.0 2000) and Warcraft III CDs I am given a license key and agreement to an EULA. Unfortunately the EULA isn’t in the box but I’m almost positive they could revoke my key and I’d be unable to play.

Blizzard trying to push renting software on us doesn't change what was legally allowed, and Diablo II and Warcraft III were after the Internet came around. Now, if you bought Warcraft I, which didn't have Battle.net support, you own that one copy, and Blizzard can't take that copy away from you. Which is to say it's bought and not rented.

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Post by coldtea »

rfoo wrote: post #265
coldtea wrote: post #254

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> There can be only one ld.so in each process. Sure, but you need it for Chromium alone iirc, no? > Because it uses glibc, the entire process hosting it must use glibc. So, what prevents me from ALSO HAVING GLIBC CHROMIUM instead of musl Chromium? Nothing, but I hope you get that it propagates further and it's a horrible idea to just glibc everything on Alpine. Well, don't glibc everything. Just Chromium and its depe…

Sorry, I didn't say it clearly. I want to use the distro (Alpine) packaged Chromium, which links to musl. Not some random Chromium build I found on the Internet. Having to use a glibc Chromium is already too far for me. Do you suggest that in order to support Widevine, a distro (Alpine) should also build Chromium, Firefox and co also with glibc instead of the default (musl), or provide two varaints? Even when they ha…

>Do you suggest that in order to support Widevine, a distro (Alpine) should also build Chromium, Firefox and co also with glibc instead of the default (musl), or provide two varaints?

Yes, absolutely.

I'm not suggesting that it's a good thing that this is needed.

But I do suggest that it needs to be done.

Will, in the sense that, otherwise, people running Alpine will have to say "OK, as it is, we can forget Widevine and Netflix/Spotify" and leave it at that.

That said, since this is something many Alpine users will want, I'd expect to be some known "semi-official" or "reputable third party" build for this, not just "some random Chromium found on the Internet".

If not, personally I'd skip Alpine.

>Even when they have a Chromium with musl as libc working perfectly fine, except no proprietary DRM support?

Well, even then, since this doesn't change the fact that Widevine and thus Spotify/Netflix wont work.

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Post by _a9 »

porbelm wrote: post #248
RuggedPineapple wrote: post #245

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That tool says it does for 4k for HBO Max. All the other platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Disney+) are 720 or 1080 though. Wonder whats going on there.

Perhaps HBO Max only uses L3 for all content then?

HBO Max is L1 for 1080p+ but revoked L1 keys usually work on there

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Post by KyeRussell »

jwandborg wrote: post #267
diffeomorphism wrote: post #237

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> they clearly think it is worth it. That is like arguing that "clearly people think fax is secure, otherwise they wouldn't use it". No, it is obviously theater but other people insist you use it and while useless the effort to change it is "not worth it".

Cell pagers are also deemed secure in some places, despite being broadcast over a wide area. Both of the technologies can be seen as "secured" by laws outlawing listening to the information sent in cleartext. I wouldn't call it "security theatre", i would call it "security through legislation" or something along those lines. I thought "security theatre" was a routine that promised, but did not provide, additional sec…

Yeah. When nerds talk about DRM I’m reminded of that xkcd with the encrypted payload, and the crowbar. I can’t be bothered finding it.

“Security theatre” is as you’ve said something that people in these circles there around at times when it’s just not accurate.

This is such a weird blindspot for nerds. A cargo-culted relic from a bygone era where digital media consumption was worlds harder than it is now, and the argument against DRM was less wrapped in moral superiority, instead just…much more blatantly being about people wanting to pirate things.

I’ve got no doubt that a highly experienced and motivated hacker could pop any of my stuff in 5 minutes. Doesn’t mean that I’m not putting effort into securing my stuff against the garden-variety script kiddie, even stuff that negatively affects user experience.

An argument that the negative UX imposed by DRM doesn’t justify its benefits (to the content owner / distributer) is at least a little bit interesting. However “it’s annoying to get going on an OS that nobody uses” is a pretty weak argument. As is “it makes it hard to rip content from a streaming service in a way that’s very blatantly NOT in the spirit of the transaction that gave you access to the media in the first place”.

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Post by torified »

nl wrote: post #167
torified wrote: post #154

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What? Piracy is so easy. Go to torrent site, download torrent, click on file. It really couldn't be easier. There's no DRM on the torrent. If you have a semi-modern GPU you can play any codec you might download. I'm really not sure what you're talking about, unless you're going to some weird torrent site. Piracy has a great user experience compared to paying for DRM and having to use a particular app instead of your…

I almost wrote "just wait for people to say 'no it's easy'" but I thought surely we are over that now. I want to watch The Climb 2023 S01E01. I Google "The Climb 2023 S01E01 torrent" First result is www.stagatv.com/series/the-climb-s01 (not linking because it is spam) Hmm nothing else useful on the first page except this: In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.…

Really? You really find it that difficult?

https://rarbg.to/torrents.php?search=Climb+S01E01

https://torrentgalaxy.to/torrents.php?search=climb%20s01e01

https://1337x.to/search/climb+s01e01/1/

https://en.btdig.com/search?order=0&q=climb%20s01e01 (might be slower but just click on every magnet on there and see which one is quickest)

Took 5 seconds to find those.

You could google "top torrent sites", enter one search and be watching that show in less time than it took you to write that comment.

As others have said, it would take me a lot longer to find out which of the myriad streaming services actually have that show, and what device/app I need to actually watch that streaming service.

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Post by the8472 »

klodolph wrote: post #214
the8472 wrote: post #137

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With DRM the user who owns the machine is the "attacker". The keys have already been handed to the user, he only needs to get them out. This is like hiding an API key in a public website's javascript with rot13. Very much security by obscurity. Proper security means that the attacker should never be in possession of the key.

You’re saying that a hardware security module is like rot13? When you say the attacker “only” needs to get them out, the “only” is doing a lot of work, there.

The standard for cryptographic security is that the attacker can do no better than brute force. And the complexity for that is usually set high enough that it is out of range for the entire computational capacity of our civilization for years to come.

I'd say handing the key to the attacker in a package that requires somewhere between a skilled reverse-engineer and a semiconductor lab to untangle falls far short of that standard.

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Post by gray_-_wolf »

shp0ngle wrote: post #264
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #135

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Not really, honestly these days it works pretty much fine. Basically only issue I have is the DRM and I can live without it.

Are you using some specific distro based on alpine, or just alpine?

Just alpine. Works fairly well, I rarely have problems. Except the DRM, but I don't care that much.
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