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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by asveikau »

phh wrote: post #131
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

> The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? Well that investment is pretty low since Widevine is quite easy to integrate and the licensing cost is 0 for Netflix. The thing is, you do need some Digital Rights Management somewhere. If you just have clear-text mp4 with no auth, you can just share that mp4 url, and you could watch movies directly off Netfli…

> If you just have clear-text mp4 with no auth, you can just share that mp4 url,

You seem to think not having this specific DRM mandates a particular transport and authentication scheme? These are not at all related.

Really it sounds like what is being requested is that there not be non-portable binary blobs. That's it.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by stock_toaster »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #48

> The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU. To be precise it is "The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU using glibc." In other words, even though I have x86_64 cpu, since I'm on alpine, I'm fucked anyway.

Maybe a flatpak would work?

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Gigachad »

favorited wrote: post #130

> Addendum: The EME API is a good thing! (kinda) Hard agree. There was so much nerdrage when the EME was being considered for standardization, as if by not standardizing an API we'd be preventing DRM from existing. People acted like Tim Berners-Lee was stabbing the collective internet in the back when he endorsed it. The choice was between a standardized web-based DRM, or a wild west of incompatible proprietary DRM.…

There is also the opinion that having a Wild West of incompatible proprietary garbage would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users. Of course some stuff would still have it, but less would than the current state where it’s easy and invisible to users until you hit an unsupported system.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by ben174 »

depressedpanda wrote: post #118
heleninboodler wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they do this if they've already gone to the trouble to solve the problem for content they don't own? Just to show off by taking on unnecessary risk? The fact that they didn't build this infra specifically to protect their own content doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the benefit of the extra protection anyway.

The point is, the extra "protection" is worthless.

It's not worthless though, because if it didn't exist - some browser extension would appear the next day which adds a nice little download right next to the play button.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Gigachad »

erksa wrote: post #97
gorbypark wrote: post #75

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It does indeed! Even the alpha GPU drivers work. Not working: speakers, power management isn't ideal and I don't believe Thunderbolt works, although I haven't tried. I'm not sure what a casual driver on the go is..

Thanks! I wasn't sure if was even going to bother qualify the statement further. Mostly use it for light browsing or just light coding, nothing substantial. Reading the docs of a newly released framework etc. Some video-calls here and there, but I have other devices if I can use this purpose.

Probably the most annoying things for you will be the fact that sleep doesn’t work so it just drains with the lid closed, external displays don’t work, and webcam doesn’t work.

Most of those will be fixed soon but I wouldn’t hold my breath on the webcam support.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by nl »

torified wrote: post #154
nl wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to make the Netflix experience better for the average person than the experience of using a pirated source. And - IMHO - it works. I used to use Bittorrent quite a lot. There was a bunch of US shows I watched that were unavailable in Australia and so I had a pretty decent setup where things would automatically download when torrents were posted. Life happened, I stopped using it and haven't really tried…

What? Piracy is so easy. Go to torrent site, download torrent, click on file. It really couldn't be easier. There's no DRM on the torrent. If you have a semi-modern GPU you can play any codec you might download. I'm really not sure what you're talking about, unless you're going to some weird torrent site. Piracy has a great user experience compared to paying for DRM and having to use a particular app instead of your…

I almost wrote "just wait for people to say 'no it's easy'" but I thought surely we are over that now.

I want to watch The Climb 2023 S01E01. I Google "The Climb 2023 S01E01 torrent"

First result is www.stagatv.com/series/the-climb-s01 (not linking because it is spam)

Hmm nothing else useful on the first page except this: In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at LumenDatabase.org.

Ok, lets look at that. Hmm a random list of very spammy domains like 123movies dot unblockall dot org. Hmm these don't seem to work.

Ok what about my old torrent sites. No, they are all down.

ThePirateBay! Yes I remember this....

Oh where has it gone... Oh I need "The Pirate Bay Mirror" now? Oh there is a Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TPB/

Ah.. I need invites. No, maybe mirrorbay dot org?

Ok, search here: Yes, found a WebRip! I remember this...

Oh.. zero seeders? Ok try another? 1 seeder? Hmm

Can I use this in WebTorrent? Hmm doesn't seem to do anything.

Ok, I give up.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

Guillaume86 wrote: post #148
nl wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to make the Netflix experience better for the average person than the experience of using a pirated source. And - IMHO - it works. I used to use Bittorrent quite a lot. There was a bunch of US shows I watched that were unavailable in Australia and so I had a pretty decent setup where things would automatically download when torrents were posted. Life happened, I stopped using it and haven't really tried…

Google the arr stack + Plex. Should give you your own personal Netflix without much work, or so I heard...

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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by donkers »

rowanG077 wrote: post #155
yosito wrote: post #151

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Capture is not lossless. Think about a photocopy machine, every copy loses a small bit of information. Recapturing video output is a similar situation.

Why? Photocopy is obviously lossy since there is a very noisy digital-analog-digital conversion going on. But a capture card is capturing a digital signal. There should be no loss except for video decoding/encoding artifacts.

The capture itself could be lossless but would be ridiculously huge, re-encoding that to a usable file size will introduce some loss.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook »

depressedpanda wrote: post #118
heleninboodler wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they do this if they've already gone to the trouble to solve the problem for content they don't own? Just to show off by taking on unnecessary risk? The fact that they didn't build this infra specifically to protect their own content doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the benefit of the extra protection anyway.

The point is, the extra "protection" is worthless.

It’s not. It’s enough to deter casual piracy. There is some value in that.

If you could just right click and choose “download” for any Netflix original don’t you think that would be a problem for them?

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