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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by dragonwriter »

JohnFen wrote: post #216
gonzo41 wrote: post #69

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You see mods on reddit go on ego trip ban spree's all the time. It's classic 90's mod meltdown stuff. I don't think subscribing to a benevolent master is a good model. What happens if their gaze turns to you? Moderation is really hard. And it's especially hard because a lot of people have very para-social relationships between themselves and rando's they talk to online. Whilst I know that sometimes those rando's turn…

> If meta wanted to do something amazing. It'd enforce one reality tunnel on the networks. Rather than have a base set of rules. Have a base set of news and facts that everyone shares in. Just no. I don't want any large corporation to determine what the "news and facts" are -- and particularly not Facebook.

> Just no. I don't want any large corporation to determine what the "news and facts" are -- and particularly not Facebook.

Its... a fairly common thing for big corporations to do.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by JohnFen »

commandlinefan wrote: post #178
CuriouslyC wrote: post #112

What we need is a single distributed protocol for both file sharing, chat and "posts" tied to a verified human identity, with the concept of trust baked in. I want to search my social graph for content rather than google. If your social graph has people shitting out spam or bad content, you could just revoke the trust of the people in the graph that enabled that content.

That's really what Usenet is - I'm kind of surprised we don't see it used more.

Google killed it dead.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by gruez »

rchaud wrote: post #158
melling wrote: post #115

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[Successful] Companies build what consumers want. You aren’t locked into social networks. Don’t use them. Consumers vote with their dollars. The constant noise of “Paywall” is why so much is ad based. So, if you’ve got a better idea, build it and see if they come. [Updated] Clarified that I meant successful companies.

> Companies build what consumers want. This isn't at all true. If it were, WeWork and Uber and Doordash would all be profitable and wouldn't need eye-watering levels of subsidies. Companies build whatever the purse strings holder is comfortable with them building.

> Companies build what consumers want.

AFAIK uber/doordash are profitable on a per unit basis in most developed markets, it's just a combination of marketing spend in new markets and extravagant developer salaries that make them lose money.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Zetice »

chasd00 wrote: post #184
bhupy wrote: post #100

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The GP comment’s proposal is not incompatible with what you (and typical users) want. Moderation is very different from censorship. I want strong moderation and “banning” for myself . I would ideally like this to be as automatic as possible, perhaps via default blocklists that update on an ongoing basis, that I can still opt out of if I really cared to do so. On the other hand, I don’t believe that I have any kind of…

i'm on board with this. Just a big "ignore" button where i never see the person's content or any interactions with it again would work just fine for me. I think to provide feedback the other way a counter on your view of the number of people that have you on ignore would be good too.

You would spend your days blocking people, and not much else.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by JohnFen »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #8
emaro wrote: post #7

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I'm afraid of the same outcome too. However I think many admins in the Fediverse are aware and I expected most servers to block any instance from Meta.

Why should they be blocked?

Don't know if they "should" be, but I would certainly block anything from Facebook. I don't want to dance with the devil.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by jonathanstrange »

chasd00 wrote: post #184
bhupy wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP comment’s proposal is not incompatible with what you (and typical users) want. Moderation is very different from censorship. I want strong moderation and “banning” for myself . I would ideally like this to be as automatic as possible, perhaps via default blocklists that update on an ongoing basis, that I can still opt out of if I really cared to do so. On the other hand, I don’t believe that I have any kind of…

i'm on board with this. Just a big "ignore" button where i never see the person's content or any interactions with it again would work just fine for me. I think to provide feedback the other way a counter on your view of the number of people that have you on ignore would be good too.

IMHO that's not a solution at all. It merely creates information bubbles. I don't want diverging opinions to go into a killfile, I want mechanisms that force all users to deal with each other in civil and minimally polite ways, just like the vast majority of them already they do under normal circumstances in face to face communication.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Zetice »

drowsspa wrote: post #113
jonathanstrange wrote: post #94

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I think you're wrong and not the typical user. Personally, I would never use any social network without strong moderation and banning of toxic users, and I'm that many if not most people share this sentiment. Places without strong moderation turn into hellholes and are generally less interesting. Whether a network is decentralized or not is a completely different, purely technical question. I don't understand why two…

Case in point: we're discussing this on Hacker News, a very well moderated website. Libertarian tech bros love the idea of technical solutions for political problems. What they don't realize is the real service platforms offer is moderation.

If you think this place is well moderated, try having a civil discussion on DNI initiatives or anything at all that gets the tech-bro SV hate culture engine fired up.

You will be downvoted, flagged and throttled before the hour is up.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Apocryphon »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #219
mym1990 wrote: post #83

What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general? Let’s go back to not being bombarded by ads every 3rd post, to not getting lost in massive echo chambers, to not doom scrolling for 20-40% of our waking hours, being locked into mega platforms, etc... Is the proposition of “being more connected” really worth the downsides?

> What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general? Good luck with that. Social networks is an idea that is as old as the Internet. MySpace and Facebook were merely a step in a progression that included IRC, Usenet, email. Arguably hypertext itself. If you're not connecting people, what is the point of the Internet?

Connecting computer programs without human intervention
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