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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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post #43

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No, everyone needs to explicitly "choose some list of moderators whose decisions you trust, and subscribe to their block lists"

That still implies either: A) Cheese pizza is permitted B) There are a "floor" of rules

“Cheese pizza” is banned by law in most countries, so it won't be “permitted” either way.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#92

My Instagram used to be full of stuff I actually liked, like cars and women. Now it's full of TikTok videos with the same text-to-speech narration. I don't trust Meta to not somehow ruin whatever they happen to come up with.

It's remarkable to me that Meta is still pushing Reels so hard despite the fact that most of the popular ones are literally advertising their competitor . The TikTok logo splattered all over Facebook and Instagram is a branding disaster.

Meta tolerates them because content is reproduced verbatim and because they view Tiktok as Musical.ly. Thus they probably steal revenue to Instagram but generates it nonetheless by allowing Meta users to consume that same (mostly dull) content on Meta apps.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#94

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

I think you're wrong and not the typical user. Personally, I would never use any social network without strong moderation and banning of toxic users, and I'm that many if not most people share this sentiment. Places without strong moderation turn into hellholes and are generally less interesting.

Whether a network is decentralized or not is a completely different, purely technical question. I don't understand why two issues get mixed up so often. The design of a community should never be based on technical considerations.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#95
post #61

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How about you initially "trust" all of your friends. If one friend blacklists a bad actor, all their friends automatically blacklist them as well. If it turns out the friend blacklisted an innocent person out of spite or something, word should eventually get around and people can manually revoke trust from that friend.

I myself block a ton of stuff, which isn't illegal not offensive, not ... but just boring for me. That list shouldn't spread to others. Also I don't want to have to think about personal vs. global block.

would be an easy option, to autoblock with your friends or not. or even with individual friends - I value the opinions of lots of people who filter out people I'd want to hear from.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#96
post #78
post #33

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So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

I suppose "cheese pizza" refers to CSAM? FWIW I think it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty to complain vaguely about censorship of "widely held beliefs" without stating what those beliefs are. All social networks have "ground rules", they're just not always the same. For any social network that somehow can be pinned to someone's physical identity, those rules will at least include the laws of that person's jurisdic…

>"Free speech" is widely mocked as a supposed principle because it's a rallying call, not a specific thing.

To many of us the mockery of people who think that way is a badge of honor.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#97

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

I think you're wrong and not the typical user. Personally, I would never use any social network without strong moderation and banning of toxic users, and I'm that many if not most people share this sentiment. Places without strong moderation turn into hellholes and are generally less interesting. Whether a network is decentralized or not is a completely different, purely technical question. I don't understand why two…

You don’t like hanging out on 4chan? It’s not what users want anyway, it is what advertisers want. They don’t want toxic content next to their ads.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#98

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

I think you're wrong and not the typical user. Personally, I would never use any social network without strong moderation and banning of toxic users, and I'm that many if not most people share this sentiment. Places without strong moderation turn into hellholes and are generally less interesting. Whether a network is decentralized or not is a completely different, purely technical question. I don't understand why two…

Agreed 100%.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#100

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

I think you're wrong and not the typical user. Personally, I would never use any social network without strong moderation and banning of toxic users, and I'm that many if not most people share this sentiment. Places without strong moderation turn into hellholes and are generally less interesting. Whether a network is decentralized or not is a completely different, purely technical question. I don't understand why two…

The GP comment’s proposal is not incompatible with what you (and typical users) want.

Moderation is very different from censorship.

I want strong moderation and “banning” for myself. I would ideally like this to be as automatic as possible, perhaps via default blocklists that update on an ongoing basis, that I can still opt out of if I really cared to do so.

On the other hand, I don’t believe that I have any kind of entitlement to prevent other people from seeing content once it’s been permanently hidden from my own view. I don’t really care if other people are able to see content that I don’t wish to see.

This article describes the distinction in a pretty clear and concise way: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/moderation-is-differen...

Email works this way today and most people are perfectly fine with that.

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