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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by papito »

joenot443 wrote: post #57
papito wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because over 10 million Americans believe that Tom Hanks violates, kills, and eats children - a widely held belief - does not mean that a private company can't tell those people to go suck a bug. A private company does moderation and it's the end of the world. Ron DeSantis bans books and he is just "anti-woke". The actual government.

It’s a bit amusing that your comment is making fun of Americans for widely holding an untrue belief, and then you conveniently make an example of yourself doing the exact same thing. I usually find it’s about three comments deep that Americans find a way to start taking potshots at the other team whenever the concepts of “censorship” or “freedoms” arise. Canadians and Europeans are usually able to discuss these thing…

Not sure what gave you the impression that I have any love for the MAGA or the self-righteous "woke".

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by precompute »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #66

For what it's worth, Urbit is this sort of thing. At least right now, and in a de facto way, for it has untapped functionality that might soon enable a wide variety of additional use cases. The barriers to entry are now pretty low, as anybody can sign up via tlon.network

Yep, Urbit is incredible. It does require some technical know-how, and has a sign-up fee (unless you can get a planet for free from someone). I think that has really maintained quality of discussion. It has also come a long way in the last 3 years. I was given a free planet in early 2020.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by zpeti »

papito wrote: post #48
zmgsabst wrote: post #44

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So, you have no problem, I assume, with the "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books to remove anything offensive? Right? You know, to prevent "government employees and licensed child educators from providing certain books to children, in the context of government mandated education." I'll wait.

I don't get your reasoning, sorry. Desantis banned certain books from being taught. Anyone can go out and buy those books.

You specifically say "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books" which is not the same thing. While I'm not familiar with this idiotic part of american politics, that does sound like the governors are actually banning these books or changing them?

That's NOT what Desantis did.

And as far as I'm concerned, yes, any publisher as a private company should have the power to change a book if they want, but then don't be upset about the blowback. You can do whatever you want as a private company, but don't expect your customer to just take it. Eventually it might hurt your profits, at which point your shareholders might have a case for a lawsuit too.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by zpeti »

traviswt wrote: post #60
papito wrote: post #48

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So, you have no problem, I assume, with the "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books to remove anything offensive? Right? You know, to prevent "government employees and licensed child educators from providing certain books to children, in the context of government mandated education." I'll wait.

This seems like a great case against public education, since the mechanism to address this "whoever is in power decides" situation is of course competition and free choice. Indoctrination of children is just natural a natural consequence of everyone having their biases. Parents are the ones who should choose, because that is how we have diversity. Home schooling gives parents the most choice, private school a step do…

Exactly, and its actually generally blue states that have centralised education, and places like florida that allow chartered schools and similar ones.

So if you want to setup a private school in florida with LGBTQ+ education, I'm pretty sure you can just do that.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by johannes1234321 »

bardan wrote: post #61
Fatnino wrote: post #33

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So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

How about you initially "trust" all of your friends. If one friend blacklists a bad actor, all their friends automatically blacklist them as well. If it turns out the friend blacklisted an innocent person out of spite or something, word should eventually get around and people can manually revoke trust from that friend.

I myself block a ton of stuff, which isn't illegal not offensive, not ... but just boring for me. That list shouldn't spread to others. Also I don't want to have to think about personal vs. global block.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by rusticpenn »

salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

How is it different from whatsapp?

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by ceejayoz »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #59

My Instagram used to be full of stuff I actually liked, like cars and women. Now it's full of TikTok videos with the same text-to-speech narration. I don't trust Meta to not somehow ruin whatever they happen to come up with.

It's remarkable to me that Meta is still pushing Reels so hard despite the fact that most of the popular ones are literally advertising their competitor. The TikTok logo splattered all over Facebook and Instagram is a branding disaster.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by hnbad »

Fatnino wrote: post #33
salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

I suppose "cheese pizza" refers to CSAM?

FWIW I think it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty to complain vaguely about censorship of "widely held beliefs" without stating what those beliefs are. All social networks have "ground rules", they're just not always the same. For any social network that somehow can be pinned to someone's physical identity, those rules will at least include the laws of that person's jurisdiction.

"Free speech" is widely mocked as a supposed principle because it's a rallying call, not a specific thing. Even people who'll proudly tell you "I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it" will have limits if you keep pushing them on it. "Free speech" just means "I want to be able to say things I'm not allowed to say" and the first response should always be "what and for what purpose".

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by matthewdgreen »

zpeti wrote: post #74
traviswt wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a great case against public education, since the mechanism to address this "whoever is in power decides" situation is of course competition and free choice. Indoctrination of children is just natural a natural consequence of everyone having their biases. Parents are the ones who should choose, because that is how we have diversity. Home schooling gives parents the most choice, private school a step do…

Exactly, and its actually generally blue states that have centralised education, and places like florida that allow chartered schools and similar ones. So if you want to setup a private school in florida with LGBTQ+ education, I'm pretty sure you can just do that.

Not if you want to receive school voucher funds.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by hnbad »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #34
lispegistus wrote: post #20

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Having an instance with a x million users is impossible to moderate. Instances have been blocked for not being able to moderate low thousands of users due to incompetent/unresponsive mods. Having a poorly moderated instance federate with yours is seen as a threat to your users and a proactive admin would not allow federation. Also most admins are aware of EEE tactics and we all know we cannot expect anything even rem…

I was just going to reply with EEE, but the situation you're describing presents a problem. Suppose the network wants to be able to handle billions of users, but you want to keep each instance "small," i.e. thousands of users. Then you'll have millions of instances. Having each instance manually curate a list of others it federates with isn't going to work, but neither is instances not federating with the large major…

This assumes you (or rather: those users) want all of those billions of users to be directly interconnected.

Most people on Mastodon seem to be perfectly fine with living in a microcosm compared to Twitter.

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