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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by fer »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #10

> decentralized, text-based social network We had that. It was called Usenet, and it was great. Google destroyed it, so Facebook is going to own the next one from the get-go? Doesn't sound good.

Usenet was destroyed by spam.

Even if you set up your client to have your groups clean, for any new arrival without guidance it was a horrible experience that required a lot of effort in bringing signal out of the noise.

What killed it was not having a distributed spam filtering as it became popular.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by alxmng »

mattwilsonn888 wrote: post #23
1270018080 wrote: post #9

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

Decentralized doesn't capture what you want it to mean anyways. When crypto people say decentralized, they don't mean AWS edge locations or The Federal Reserve Central Bank which are both decentralized. How about we start saying exactly what we mean? "Non-excludable" captures the important aspect. It doesn't matter if your network is decentralized if it can't maintain this feature. Bitcoin being non-excludable implie…

“Peer-to-peer” is the appropriate term for a decentralized network where each node is treated equally and communicates through any other node.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by lmpdev »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #40
Fatnino wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

No, everyone needs to explicitly "choose some list of moderators whose decisions you trust, and subscribe to their block lists"

That still implies either: A) Cheese pizza is permitted B) There are a "floor" of rules

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by zmgsabst »

papito wrote: post #37
salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

Just because over 10 million Americans believe that Tom Hanks violates, kills, and eats children - a widely held belief - does not mean that a private company can't tell those people to go suck a bug. A private company does moderation and it's the end of the world. Ron DeSantis bans books and he is just "anti-woke". The actual government.

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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by pndy »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #2

" The P92 app will support ActivityPub, MoneyControl reported." Big if true. Color me skeptical, though. How would they be able to control that? (and FB likes control)

If my memory serves me well, their Messenger was once XMPP-based (perhaps still is somewhere beneath) and you could use it without a fuss in any Jabber client. But then smartphones bloomed and the possibilities having a mobile app arrived.

So, I'd expect same scenario here: open at the beginning and walled later - once they capture enough people within. That is, if this thing ever manages to gain attention.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by nunobrito »

Curious that the article speaks plenty about Dorsey and ommits the fact that he has been very active on the Nostr platform.

Nostr is so far the only platform where I see a decentralized future. Mastodon does not provide portable identities that you can easily move to other servers, nor helps you to preserve your post from previous years.

Nostr solved both obstacles. One private key, zero email addresses needed. Move your texts to wherever you want, your identity is always verified (as long as you don't leak your private key) and fully private when you wish to remain so.

There are even built-in payments over there now. Basically everything that these larger groups have been talking about for years has been implemented with success in a few months independently from them.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by bawolff »

mattwilsonn888 wrote: post #23
1270018080 wrote: post #9

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

Decentralized doesn't capture what you want it to mean anyways. When crypto people say decentralized, they don't mean AWS edge locations or The Federal Reserve Central Bank which are both decentralized. How about we start saying exactly what we mean? "Non-excludable" captures the important aspect. It doesn't matter if your network is decentralized if it can't maintain this feature. Bitcoin being non-excludable implie…

I think censorship-resistence is the usual term for that outside of the bitcoin world.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by papito »

zmgsabst wrote: post #44
papito wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because over 10 million Americans believe that Tom Hanks violates, kills, and eats children - a widely held belief - does not mean that a private company can't tell those people to go suck a bug. A private company does moderation and it's the end of the world. Ron DeSantis bans books and he is just "anti-woke". The actual government.

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So, you have no problem, I assume, with the "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books to remove anything offensive? Right?

You know, to prevent "government employees and licensed child educators from providing certain books to children, in the context of government mandated education."

I'll wait.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by chimineycricket »

papito wrote: post #48
zmgsabst wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So, you have no problem, I assume, with the "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books to remove anything offensive? Right? You know, to prevent "government employees and licensed child educators from providing certain books to children, in the context of government mandated education." I'll wait.

In parent's defense, banning kids from reading certain books is not the same as "woke" governors banning or revising classic books for _everyone_, not just kids.

If people are banning books at school because the content can be bad for kids (debatable on what "bad" means obviously) then the parents can go get the book from elsewhere and have their kids read it at home. Whatever. But changing books for everyone is stupid.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by [deleted] »

chimineycricket wrote: post #49
papito wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you have no problem, I assume, with the "woke" governors banning or revising classic children's books to remove anything offensive? Right? You know, to prevent "government employees and licensed child educators from providing certain books to children, in the context of government mandated education." I'll wait.

In parent's defense, banning kids from reading certain books is not the same as "woke" governors banning or revising classic books for _everyone_, not just kids. If people are banning books at school because the content can be bad for kids (debatable on what "bad" means obviously) then the parents can go get the book from elsewhere and have their kids read it at home. Whatever. But changing books for everyone is stup…

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