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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by ROTMetro »

nonethewiser wrote: post #129
footlose_3815 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Widely held beliefs Can you elaborate on these "Widely held beliefs"? You appear to have done some research into the topic so I think it would be beneficial to your point if you gave examples of the beliefs. Because of Bandwagon fallacy, because we know just because something is widely-held doesn't necessarily make it valid, so these popular beliefs, I'd like to see what they are.

You will get banned on Reddit if you say trans women aren’t real women. They call it promoting hate towards a marginalized group. You may be sympathetic towards that so think twice before moving the goalpost.

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Post by JohnFen »

melling wrote: post #197
rchaud wrote: post #158

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> Companies build what consumers want. This isn't at all true. If it were, WeWork and Uber and Doordash would all be profitable and wouldn't need eye-watering levels of subsidies. Companies build whatever the purse strings holder is comfortable with them building.

Sure, people try all kinds of ideas…. The “Uber of…” I suppose I should have said “successful companies”

Companies can and do succeed selling things people don't really want.

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Post by JohnFen »

RobotToaster wrote: post #195
exitb wrote: post #81

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That's roughly how Mastodon works. Each instance is responsible for moderation of their own users. If an instance does not meet arbitrary standards of moderation, other instances may choose not to federate with them, but nothing can stop willing instances from federating.

Unfortunately that's ended up with a netsplit between covenanted and free servers, some servers will even de-federate you for federating with the "wrong" servers. So the only way to access the whole fediverse is either have multiple accounts, or run your own server.

I don't think I consider that a bad thing.

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Post by xhkkffbf »

Just curious. Has anyone experienced this claim: "Twitter’s revenue collapsing and the site itself going down for hours now on a regular basis,"

I don't spend much time on Twitter, but every time I've fired it up, I was met with a bunch of current tweets. Is it really going down "on a regular basis"?

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Post by juujian »

mym1990 wrote: post #83

What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general? Let’s go back to not being bombarded by ads every 3rd post, to not getting lost in massive echo chambers, to not doom scrolling for 20-40% of our waking hours, being locked into mega platforms, etc... Is the proposition of “being more connected” really worth the downsides?

I think you could literally take Twitter's code base from 10 years ago and set up a server and people would flock to it. Building something new is really not what is required, the bigger question is what people, what community.

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Post by JohnFen »

gonzo41 wrote: post #69
salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

You see mods on reddit go on ego trip ban spree's all the time. It's classic 90's mod meltdown stuff. I don't think subscribing to a benevolent master is a good model. What happens if their gaze turns to you? Moderation is really hard. And it's especially hard because a lot of people have very para-social relationships between themselves and rando's they talk to online. Whilst I know that sometimes those rando's turn…

> If meta wanted to do something amazing. It'd enforce one reality tunnel on the networks. Rather than have a base set of rules. Have a base set of news and facts that everyone shares in.

Just no. I don't want any large corporation to determine what the "news and facts" are -- and particularly not Facebook.

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Post by realce »

JohnFen wrote: post #208
realce wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously the utilization of social networks is fundamental to social engagement in modern life. It's not silly whatsoever, it's a natural response when someone quips that a that a thing that's essentially needed but not absolutely required isn't worth complaining about.

> Obviously the utilization of social networks is fundamental to social engagement in modern life. That is not obvious at all. I think it's not even true.

It's so non-obvious that 60% of the entire population of the Earth uses it.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by [deleted] »

papichulo4 wrote: post #179

Yeah. Meta is hiring, Meta is firing, Meta is about to publish their first coloring book, ML models available, discount mattresses, the boss-lost-his-mind-everything-has-to-go, Meta is taking VR to the next level, Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network. Sure, sure. Good luck, Meta!

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

mym1990 wrote: post #83

What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general? Let’s go back to not being bombarded by ads every 3rd post, to not getting lost in massive echo chambers, to not doom scrolling for 20-40% of our waking hours, being locked into mega platforms, etc... Is the proposition of “being more connected” really worth the downsides?

> What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general?

Good luck with that. Social networks is an idea that is as old as the Internet. MySpace and Facebook were merely a step in a progression that included IRC, Usenet, email. Arguably hypertext itself. If you're not connecting people, what is the point of the Internet?

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by JohnFen »

commandlinefan wrote: post #177
yalogin wrote: post #133

Why is this obsession with decentralized? I don’t see the benefits of it at all. A central server is better if they have a good moderation plan built in. This whole decentralized idea is to wash their hands off moderation and not take a blame for the hellhole it will become. From a pure functional point of view, how can a decentralized network provide any performance guarantee? What am I missing?

> A central server is better if they have a good moderation plan built in If that's true, then the internet itself was (and continues to be) a mistake.

I guess, if you think of the internet as being just a gigantic message board or something.
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