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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by footlose_3815 » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

Widely held beliefs

Can you elaborate on these "Widely held beliefs"? You appear to have done some research into the topic so I think it would be beneficial to your point if you gave examples of the beliefs.

Because of Bandwagon fallacy, because we know just because something is widely-held doesn't necessarily make it valid, so these popular beliefs, I'd like to see what they are.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by giancarlostoro » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

This sounds like they want to take the spot of Twitter and have no images or video. At the same time an opportunity to harvest data from other connected social media platforms.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by matthewdgreen » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

zpeti wrote: post #84

matthewdgreen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you want to receive school voucher funds.

OK, and? It's still a free market. If people want schools with LGBTQ+ education, set one up, and do it. You can. Why should local government help? Especially if that local government was specifically elected to not support issues like this?

Because local government has the power to collect taxes. If it chooses to selectively hand them out only to favored political institutions, then in practice this means many students won't be able to afford to attend their favored schools, and some schools will be financially non-viable. It may be the case that such schools will still exist in this environment (with a smaller student body), but that doesn't make the issue less problematic.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #26

plorg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when Facebook (and Google, etc.) supported federated XMPP? I can't bring myself to expect any different outcome this time.

>Remember when Facebook (and Google, etc.) supported federated XMPP? Facebook's XMPP server wasn't federated. You couldn't use it to talk to people on other servers.

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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by shagmin » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:38 PM UTC

zpeti wrote: post #84

matthewdgreen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you want to receive school voucher funds.

OK, and? It's still a free market. If people want schools with LGBTQ+ education, set one up, and do it. You can. Why should local government help? Especially if that local government was specifically elected to not support issues like this?

Are you talking about a hypothetical place where schools are self-funded or something, or are you talking about Florida still? It's not that much of a free market if conservative-friendly charter schools get subsidized by the state but LGBTQ friendly schools don't.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by gibspaulding » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #119

jollofricepeas wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social networks are hotels, right. - First they are new and cool. The young, hip and rich stay often. - New becomes old. Shoddy carpet, old fixtures, bad music in the lobby but older people stay until they die. - New hotels sprout up with cool carpet, music and fixtures. The cycle repeats. The only way we can ditch them is to ban them and then they’ll go underground :( What is dead may never die.

Hotels where you don't pay rent, but everything is sponsored ad placement. I wish I could run a hotel like that in real life, just ads everywhere.

Sounds like a casino.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by choffee » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

Will this be the Compuserve to ActivityPub's "email"? I look forward to my free CD.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by swayvil » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:44 PM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #40

Fatnino wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

No, everyone needs to explicitly "choose some list of moderators whose decisions you trust, and subscribe to their block lists"

I would nuance that system a bit.

Replace "moderator" with "any peer".

Replace "block" with "vote". (And that vote could be as simple as "up down" or maybe something more sophisticated)

Now everybody you meet (every "peer") has a "rating". Based on the cumulative voting of yourself and your peers.

A peer that you upvote, his votes are weighted-up in that cumulative rating calculation.

A peer that you downvote, his votes are weighted down.

So we have peers, votes and a cumulative rating calculation.

And then we filter out view by rating.

Voila! Personalized decentralized moderation.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by nonethewiser » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:44 PM UTC

footlose_3815 wrote: post #121

salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

Widely held beliefs Can you elaborate on these "Widely held beliefs"? You appear to have done some research into the topic so I think it would be beneficial to your point if you gave examples of the beliefs. Because of Bandwagon fallacy, because we know just because something is widely-held doesn't necessarily make it valid, so these popular beliefs, I'd like to see what they are.

You will get banned on Reddit if you say trans women aren’t real women. They call it promoting hate towards a marginalized group. You may be sympathetic towards that so think twice before moving the goalpost.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by zeroonetwothree » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

mym1990 wrote: post #83

What if, and hear me out: we ditch the idea of a better replacement social network and just ditch the concept in general? Let’s go back to not being bombarded by ads every 3rd post, to not getting lost in massive echo chambers, to not doom scrolling for 20-40% of our waking hours, being locked into mega platforms, etc... Is the proposition of “being more connected” really worth the downsides?

You do realize that social networks are optional? No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use them.