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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#21

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

The real problem is decentralized is too ambigious. There are a billion different ways something can be decentralized. The term is meaningless.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#22

> The app is codenamed P92 and will allow users to log in through their existing Instagram credentials So if it relies on the servers of one centralized entity for authentication, how exactly is this thing "decentralized"?

It’s decentralized in name only, it’s marketing talk. It’ll still be behind Meta’s walled garden

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#23

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

Decentralized doesn't capture what you want it to mean anyways. When crypto people say decentralized, they don't mean AWS edge locations or The Federal Reserve Central Bank which are both decentralized. How about we start saying exactly what we mean?

"Non-excludable" captures the important aspect. It doesn't matter if your network is decentralized if it can't maintain this feature. Bitcoin being non-excludable implies that it is secure in terms of consensus control - even if a powerful agent is out to exclude you from the network, they would fail. That is the core property and it leaves no room to hide behind as a buzzword; it means exactly what it means.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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post #19

> decentralized, text-based social network We had that. It was called Usenet, and it was great. Google destroyed it, so Facebook is going to own the next one from the get-go? Doesn't sound good.

You have to really be rewriting history to blame google for the downfall of usenet.

Wake me up when September ends.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#25

> decentralized, text-based social network We had that. It was called Usenet, and it was great. Google destroyed it, so Facebook is going to own the next one from the get-go? Doesn't sound good.

The Google graveyard is expansive but they most certainly didn't kill Usenet. Spam put Usenet on life support and ISPs dropping NNTP hosting pulled the plug.

By the late 90s spam killed actual conversations on Usenet. Eternal September had already raised the noise floor but spam just got out of control.

First ISPs dropped retention of even text-only hierarchies and then by the early 2000s dropped NNTP hosting entirely. So even people willing to wade through the spam had to go hunting for independent Usenet hosting.

Google didn't have anything to do with either of those things.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#26
post #5

" The P92 app will support ActivityPub, MoneyControl reported." Big if true. Color me skeptical, though. How would they be able to control that? (and FB likes control)

Remember when Facebook (and Google, etc.) supported federated XMPP? I can't bring myself to expect any different outcome this time.

>Remember when Facebook (and Google, etc.) supported federated XMPP?

Facebook's XMPP server wasn't federated. You couldn't use it to talk to people on other servers.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#27

I will never use any Facebook product again after they completely bricked my oculus devices with the forced sign in.

VR goggles? Dude. How about the part where they tried to consign your grandchildren to a dystopian technocratic panopticon?

https://hackernoon.com/on-the-infestation-of-small-souled-bu...

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#29
post #13

I will never use any Facebook product again after they completely bricked my oculus devices with the forced sign in.

ICYMI, they've stepped this requirement back so now you just need a "Meta account".

You'll eat the bugs and you'll be happy.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

#30

The whole benefit of centralized social media is that a large corporation has the resources to maintain it and the control that gives them. I don’t understand what’s in this for them. Maybe there will still be forced ads embedded into the instances. My guess is it’ll be a lot easier to self host than other existing ActivityPub platforms like Mastodon. That’s the sales pitch at the price of an augmented proprietary se…

All of it has always served a commercial use. It's meant to be for you, whether you like it or not.

Or you could just go outside.

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