Live data from Hacker News

Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

techtarget.com

341–350 of 411 posts

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#341

I think the debate here has grown pretty stale. There’s a lot of arguing about what’s right or wrong, when this isn’t really about right or wrong. There’s a factual question here about whether remote first companies are more, less, or equally competitive with office first companies. Anecdotes aren’t going to answer that question. Logical arguments aren’t going to answer that question. Passionate rants about pointy ha…

Anecdotal evidence does suggest this to be determined on a combination of the individual, and the task. If individuals are more productive, then the company as a whole must be more competitive?

In my own case, if we say an ideal productivity output per day is 1 unit, that is 100% productive. Commuting to the office, office distractions, and general tiredness, I would put the hard limit at 50%. I've measured it, and the duration I'm very productive tends to be at best, half the working hours. Usually, it's much less. Any meeting that could be handled in slack, design documents w/feedback do not count (this is almost all meetings). The many "could you..", "do you know...", etc, all take up a good chunk, even though the requests are only 5 minutes worth of work.

While working from home, suddenly the deep focus you had 2 hours in, stretches on for 6 hours, or even 10. Or around 2-300% productive.

To what extent there is a tradeoff in office culture, and colloquial banter, that has its own value, I'm not sure. But, for people who value getting shit done, the office, and commuting, sure adds a lot of negative value in the mix.

And, you might think that this just applies to "hands-dirty" (as much as they get dirty while typing on a keyboard :p) engineering work. Though I would argue it applies equally to secondary work planning, task breakdown, and strategic planning.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent was indeed slightly incorrect. Up until maybe 2-3yrs they are little angels. Then everything changes. I would take 8 hours at the office over 8 hours with a high energy 4 year old. It would be way less exhausting.

My experience would say up until they are walking/crawling (assuming they sleep). After that, it was 24/7 duty to watch for falls, climbing, and by 15months or so, they are stacking things to get to get to higher places. My daughter slept like an angel, my son has not slept through a single night since he was 5 months old. When people lived in tribes (or even villages), I doubt one or two adults were responsible 24/7…

Completely agree, especially on the last point. We've raised our kid with zero help due to geopolitics and economics, and it's clear this is not how nature intended things.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#343
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who the hell has train friends?

Lots of people I know who live in the north of England and Scotland get to know the people they end up commuting with, but this seems much less common in the south of England. I think conversation with strangers on the train is also much more common up north.

People in the north of England and in Scotland are a lot friendlier, or at least a lot more likely to start up a conversation.

The south of England is fucking *weird*. If you start talking to someone they look at you like you just pissed all over their legs.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with four children who lived most of their early lives a thousand miles away from any established support network, I didn't find this to be true. On the contrary, the marginal cost of each child decreased with increased help from their siblings. Perhaps the given scenario is true in "helicopter parenting" modes, but we don't generally employ those.

Right, but now the older children are being parentized and have to do some of the child-rearing instead of just being care-free kids themselves. Not everyone wants that for their children.

I don't think that applies to my case, but I've certainly seen it over-done. I believe there is a good middle-ground.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#345
post #133

I have managed to mangle my wrists so much over the years that I now almost exclusively use my computer with voice and an eye tracker. I will never work in an office again, unless the company I work for wants to pay for me to have a private office with a door that closes, and pay to duplicate my home set up (~£1000+). Even then: - it just seems moronic for me to spend my own free time on commuting. So I would also wa…

> I can control my own temperature, my own noise levels

Holy hell... I have been working remotely for so long that I forgot that those were prominent problems in offices...

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> otherwise they'll be sitting on the floor with their computer on their laps. Why bother showing up at that point.

Probably the same reason the people who still work at twitter show up, it's either some weird sense of loyalty or perhaps it helps them feel like part of the "those who grind" clique. I dunno man, people are weird.

All that plus interviewing is broken as shit. Then just the thought of changing jobs is stressful enough, but looking for work while Elmo is breathing down your neck has to be some next level stress. I can see where they would be paralyzed into staying a while.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#347

I could be convinced to commute to a satellite office that's not affected by rush hour traffic. There's a lot of real estate available in the burbs. These don't really exist though, and their expense far outweighs their benefits. The problem is that companies expect employees to be mobile when they are not. It's called putting down roots for a reason. Pulling kids out of school, buying a new house is very disruptive.…

We absolutely should make housing more affordable. The problem is we’ve built most middle class wealth on housing as a scarce and always-appreciating asset, and tons of peoples’ retirements are essentially counting on that continuing. We’re impoverishing the young to enrich the old, and there’s no easy way out.

Also, we don't build starter homes anymore. I monitor the city's development site and all of the home being built are 3+ BR. There are a few apartment complexes with 1,2,3 etc BR, but no starter homes. There was a 55+ retirement development that went in a couple years ago. About 150 homes. Every single one was 3+ BR. WTF!?

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#348

I do 100% remote work and will never go back. I'm lucky that the company I work at is remote first, so all processes are optimized for it. I get 90 days a year to work from other countries too, this year I stayed in Barbados for 4 weeks (it was an amazing experience) while I championed a project with a public release date (work still gets done). I have a routine with walks at lunch, exercise after work etc. I can shi…

This sounds great. Would you mind sharing the company name? Perhaps in a DM if not here?

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#349
What continues to amuse me is that this is still being framed as an ongoing debate. It's really not a debate; this is outdated leadership fighting against social and technological progress, while demanding that their employees give up the personal freedom they've enjoyed for the past few years.

Unless you're one of a handful of massive, highly desirable tech employers, it's probably time to adapt. If you're a city relying on a massive pool of office workers doing a thing workers don't need to do anymore, it's probably time to adapt as well.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

#350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> otherwise they'll be sitting on the floor with their computer on their laps. Why bother showing up at that point.

Probably the same reason the people who still work at twitter show up, it's either some weird sense of loyalty or perhaps it helps them feel like part of the "those who grind" clique. I dunno man, people are weird.

I sympathize the Twitter workers that are on work visas. Much harder for them to jump ship. They have to tolerate the nonsense or relocate back to their home country. Especially difficult if you own a home and/or have a family.
Post reply on HN