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Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by tracker1 »

ibejoeb wrote: post #266
Tangurena2 wrote: post #228

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My father was a chemical engineer. Back in the 60s & 70s, the company would pay to relocate our family to wherever they needed him (this included purchasing the house if we didn't sell it before the moving trucks showed up). That included several foreign countries. In my family's experience, that included England, Iran, Ireland & Saudi Arabia. During the 80s, his industry stopped relocating engineers. This correspond…

If companies start buying upside-down homes, they're probably going to start holding them until they can at least wash out. I'd hate to see a trend of employers becoming landlords.

I'm not sure that would be worse than the capital driven land-lord situation. I mean, in terms of renting out a house from a former employee until real estate improves enough to sell. Odds are it would be done via the same rental mgt companies that everyone else uses anyway.

At least as long as the company isn't pushing to keep said properties longer than necessary.

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malermeister wrote: post #279
akudha wrote: post #235

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I work for a non profit. After two years or letting everyone at home, this month they're forcing people to come to office at least twice a week. Not only that, anyone going to work has to book a desk in advance, otherwise they'll be sitting on the floor with their computer on their laps. This makes no difference to me personally, as I am a thousand miles away in another state, so I lucked out. I am still working from…

> leads to office politics That's exactly what they miss. Those people became powerful by playing that game of office politics and now have nowhere to do that anymore.

I think there's still plenty of room for it... but it's going to shift towards actual performance as a larger share of the process though.

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Post by ibejoeb »

mistrial9 wrote: post #274
mikeweiss wrote: post #212

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Leaving family, friends, community and the place you know is higher on my list of disruptive than selling a house.

"A lot of the lay-offs were senior technical staff like C++ senior engineers; seems more like a realignment to shift those jobs to cheaper subsidiaries like India, Pakistan, Mexico"

What's the source of that quote? The article says exactly the opposite and makes no mention of offshoring.

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Post by davemp »

ZiiS wrote: post #190

It is called an "Office" if you want to provide one I am happy to talk. If you want me to work in a noisy communal room I am happy to walk.

I feel like this is the real disconnect. I wonder how much of the current situation can be attributed to malfeasance in commercial architecture. A huge amount of office layouts are simply inhumane. Take this floor plan [0] I found by searching for "commercial space with private office floor plans" for example. There are cubes with workers' backs positioned literally 3ft from a door to an occupied room.

When I position a desk in spaces I control, I point my back away from doors, windows, and walkways. Literally every cubicle or open office floor plan I've seen in practice seems to explicitly do the opposite. What fluffy things architects or executives have to say about collaboration is irrelevant imo, you are indisputably more physically vulnerable in positions with your back exposed. Some part of me is always trying to be aware of what's happening behind me and it kills my focus. I don't actually fear violence in such situations it's just a reflex.

[0]: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/ff/e7/d8ffe768ab6de0db4d76...

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Post by anthomtb »

sidlls wrote: post #176
Hackbraten wrote: post #72

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> primary school do not allows them to get out without me Please tell me you’re joking.

I doubt it, because I have a similar issue at my kids' school. Kids must either enter a parent's vehicle (which must have a paper or other sign with the names of the kids being picked up on display) at the drive-through pick up, be picked up in person, or get onto a school bus or other approved after-school service. They cannot leave, basically, without an adult who takes them. I was shocked when I found out about it…

For real? I started doing the 1 mile/2.2 km walk home from school at the age of 8. This wasn't in the idyllic 1950's America either - we're talking the mid 90's with plenty of headlines stating "it could happen to YOUR CHILDREN".

How do the logistics work here? Does each teacher stay with their class until all students have been picked up?

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Post by falcolas »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #265
akudha wrote: post #235

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I work for a non profit. After two years or letting everyone at home, this month they're forcing people to come to office at least twice a week. Not only that, anyone going to work has to book a desk in advance, otherwise they'll be sitting on the floor with their computer on their laps. This makes no difference to me personally, as I am a thousand miles away in another state, so I lucked out. I am still working from…

> otherwise they'll be sitting on the floor with their computer on their laps. Why bother showing up at that point.

A one-sided sense of loyalty.

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Post by jen20 »

shard wrote: post #229
prepend wrote: post #192

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I’ve never met a good programmer who didn’t always have a trail of unsolicited job offers following them. Obviously there are many situations, but I think many people can be selective about where they work.

And what does that mean for the largest group in the bell curve: the medium skilled programmer, who does ok but nonmagical work? Not everyone has the ability to be one or two standard deviations above the median.

I’m not convinced software engineering “skill” actually follows a normal distribution. People tend to have a huge impact, either positive or negative.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

reachableceo wrote: post #230
bsagdiyev wrote: post #144

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Will second this. I typically work later in to the day/night because our son is loud during the day and it can be hard to focus so I shift my hours.

So instead of setting boundaries and ensuring appropriate behavior and social skills for your child , you surrender to him and shift your work hours ? Why? That’s not healthy for either party.

Do you have children? Children ages from 3-5 are still within dog category of intelligence. They are still learning volume, time, routine, self-control and attachment, and they are hardwired to explore their environment within the safety of adult supervision. They are not designed for the autonomous two-parent household left alone for most of the day every day.
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