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Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by dt3ft »

2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #54
Gordonjcp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe travel at a different time, then.

That's the thing, though; when you're bound by working hours and need to commute (which most people are), you don't really have much choice and will need to commute during rush hours. Personally, I'd rather find a non-tech sector job close to my home than commuting to a tech job. I am very happy to be fortunate enough to have the option to work from home all of the time -- most people don't

I just had to say this: I admire and applaud your patience which you demonstrated when responding to the person above. Kudos for being insightful and kind at the same time.

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Post by mikeweiss »

lucidguppy wrote: post #203

I could be convinced to commute to a satellite office that's not affected by rush hour traffic. There's a lot of real estate available in the burbs. These don't really exist though, and their expense far outweighs their benefits. The problem is that companies expect employees to be mobile when they are not. It's called putting down roots for a reason. Pulling kids out of school, buying a new house is very disruptive.…

Leaving family, friends, community and the place you know is higher on my list of disruptive than selling a house.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Gigachad wrote: post #69
ll_mama wrote: post #43

So let them? What's the deal, why can't we have a society where people who want to work from home, do so while those who want to work remotely do so as well? I do know that I am deciding for myself (100% remote).

Because if companies decide that in office is more productive or more reliable, remote options will dry up. And the fact most big tech companies are going back to office suggests they have the data to show it is more effective.

> And the fact most big tech companies are going back to office suggests they have the data to show it is more effective.

Could it not also suggest they have significant real estate holdings?

Edit: and return to office bas been used as a way to get rid of some people without having to terminate them.

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Post by benji-york »

orangepurple wrote: post #210
benji-york wrote: post #208

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As someone with four children who lived most of their early lives a thousand miles away from any established support network, I didn't find this to be true. On the contrary, the marginal cost of each child decreased with increased help from their siblings. Perhaps the given scenario is true in "helicopter parenting" modes, but we don't generally employ those.

How many years apart are the kids?

4, 2, and 4.

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Post by hansbo »

roenxi wrote: post #193
shrikant wrote: post #84

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(I often try and struggle to explain my thoughts on this, but I'll try again.) I keep hearing here in the UK that the reason people aren't having kids is because it's so expensive, and I do what you do -- point people at the stats in Scandinavia where a huge chunk of childcare costs is borne by the state, and yet the birth rates are dropping. My theory on this, and one that I personally felt as well, is that there's…

> point people at the stats in Scandinavia where a huge chunk of childcare costs is borne by the state, and yet the birth rates are dropping. What, the state that raises its funds by draining resources from families? The state paying for childcare can't make it cheaper to raise children; it just means everyone is living with the costs that they were already going to have to pay. On average, if the cost of raising kid…

It's cheaper to raise kids since you would already have paid the cost in taxes if you didn't get kids. The important metric is the difference in cost of having kids vs not having kids, and since daycare is heavily subsidized, the difference is small.

Same things go for schools, food in schools, universities, et.c., they are all "free", as in paid for by everyone in proportion to their wealth, instead of individually by the parent.

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Post by watwut »

newshorts wrote: post #161
dustedcodes wrote: post #81

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I disagree. I work from home as a new dad of a nearly 8 month old girl now. The first 3 months I took off work to be a full time dad, but since then I've returned back to a 4 day work week and when I work Monday to Thursday I am not distracted by my baby girl at all. I have a separate room as an office, if the door is closed then it means no interruptions. My wife is still on maternity leave so she is free to do the…

The honeymoon phase will end man. When they are about one and half or two they will try to find ways to injure themselves nearly every 5 minutes the entire time they are awake. If you are the person responsible for keeping them safe while working it’s an absolute nightmare.

Not sure if you noticed, there is someone else doing the caregiving. However, the big benefit OP gets is more frequent contact with the kid during the day. Both that setup and benefits of it are perfectly possible at one and half years old.

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Post by precompute »

mattbgates wrote: post #114

I refuse to ever go back into an office again with my current job. A new job may convince me, but to be honest, I work better when I'm working from home. I'll just say that when you pay for a mortgage, and then you go somewhere for 8 or 9 hours a day, you're wasting your money. When you work from home, you're getting to experience the mortgage you're paying for and every dollar you spend matters. It changes your pers…

> https://confessionsoftheprofessions.com/lorem-ipsum-almost-g...

Wow, it sounds like your bosses were really stupid.

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Post by [deleted] »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #122
HPsquared wrote: post #80

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I think it comes down to incentives. Traditionally the economic benefit of children was that they would basically work for you, including supporting you into old age. This made the enormous investment a lot more worthwhile. Also the childcare obligations were much less (a 12 year old could be pretty much self sufficient by working). With pensions, no child labour, etc, the trade-off is not like that any more in econo…

Who’s getting pensions these days? I doubt anyone under 50 right now will have much of a retirement to look forward to.

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Post by nfriedly »

I've been in this category for 10+ years now.

It's not that I'm against offices - I actually rented a private one for a few years after my daughter was born. I biked in most days, it was great.

And I'm happy to visit my employer's office a few times a year. More often if it's in reasonable walking or bicycling distance.

I just don't want to move or have a daily car commute.

My wife and I spent a year in the Bay Area before moving back to the Midwest, and it was good for what it was, but we're much happier here.

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