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Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by asdff »

renewiltord wrote: post #7

Could generate the mess of comments here from ChatGPT but fine, I will do it myself: (100% human made) - Why would I subject myself to a commute? - I like being in the office and talking to my coworkers - You have no social life. I actually have friends unlike you - Managers are twirling their moustaches to make us come in - no it's the company executives trying to justify their office space purchases - actually it's…

People are beating the horse talking about their own opinions of working from home, but this thread could be a lot more compelling if people focused on at the very least the headline. It's a story about how expectations are shifting in the wider labor market, and people here are unfortunately missing the forest for the trees. The article goes on to say that when you mandate back to office, 70% of your staff either quits immediately or starts looking for new jobs. It's crazy just how much expectations have shifted over the past three years.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by snird »

I worked fully remote even before the pandemic.

This is worth at least 4x any salary I would have got anywhere else. So much more free time, no commute, the ability to really live in my community, REAL flexibility. What price tag is there to having more time with your family?

I rally thought a lot about the 4x figure. That's the minimum required for me to even consider the hell of an office work again.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by spyke112 »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #45
pmoriarty wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Why would I commute (and in doing so lose 2 hours of my time per day)?" Working remotely has really made me think hard about the enormous part of my life that I've wasted commuting. Never again!

When you hire a plumber to come and fix your sink, they charge a call out fee to cover the time to drive to you place and look at the job. I think in future people will clock on as soon as they walk out the door at 9, and not clock off till they get home again at 5.

I'm working as a freelance developer in Denmark, this is my reality. I live about 30-40 minutes away from my current customer, and every time I go there I will charge the time spent. My company can also pay me a tax free "bonus" for every kilometre driven, because I use my own private car.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by mattbgates »

I refuse to ever go back into an office again with my current job. A new job may convince me, but to be honest, I work better when I'm working from home. I'll just say that when you pay for a mortgage, and then you go somewhere for 8 or 9 hours a day, you're wasting your money. When you work from home, you're getting to experience the mortgage you're paying for and every dollar you spend matters. It changes your perspective.

With my current job, despite being moved across the country in 2014 to work in an office and then being told to stay at home indefinitely once COVID-19 hit, I had experienced 4 bosses trying to fire me once I got into an office. I had to attend unnecessary meetings in person that made no sense. I had to kiss asses and say hi to people that I really didn't want to see or know in person. It'd take a lot to convince me that I should go to an office to do a job I can perfectly do at home.

I remember when I was first moved across the country.. and I asked, "Am I safe for at least 6 months to a year?" And the boss who required the move said, "We cannot guarantee that." Not more than 3 months in and I had four different bosses scrutinizing me for everything from the way I wrote code, to the way I dressed to the way I was sitting... and it just sucked. I even had a boss that almost fired me for putting Lorem Ipsum in the content before it was sent to the client. #truestory read all about it: https://confessionsoftheprofessions.com/lorem-ipsum-almost-g...

So I'm done with that life.. hopefully indefinitely.

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Post by t43562 »

mnd999 wrote: post #93
Gigachad wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real revelation for me is just how mentally taxing driving is. I _hated_ going to the office and felt like shit every weekday. Then I moved to an inner city apartment and walked to work and I loved the office and the walk in. I’ve been remote working for 2 years now as it let met access better jobs in another city but it’s really starting to get to me so I’m moving to that city so I can get back to the office.

Decent public transportation is the solution here, we are fortune to have that in London.

It takes a lot of time - often with multiple changes and also costs a great deal.

The only solution is to live quite close in and pay the exorbitant rent.

Then during the day you're working with people in India anyhow so what's the point?

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by t43562 »

SyrupThinker wrote: post #27
andersa wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is? It's time you can't spend on your hobbies. Of course, if repeatedly driving the same route every day is one of those, then go ahead.

To be fair the grandparent post did not elaborate, but not everyone is locked into doing nothing during their commute. People using public transport might be able to do all sorts of things like reading or creative work. That’s of course hard if you need to drive yourself. But if you are able to make good use of that time one could consider it not lost. Maybe commute should be clocked in for jobs that don’t rely on ph…

You often cannot do anything on the commute because you have walk, train, walk, bus, walk and no period is long enough to get anything useful done.

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

dijit wrote: post #11

While everyone has their preferences I find myself hating the office a lot less than I used to these days. (and I was very vocal about hating the office pre-covid[0]) However, some things of note: 1) My "Office" (not home) is not an "Open Office", it's a place where I can reasonably sit in peace and have control of my surroundings (this is something not afforded to most people in offices, and something that work from…

> 2) I do not have children at home, which is a pro and a con of working remotely. Being able to look after your offspring is great! I have it on good authority though that kids are distraction machines.

From my experience, no one wants to get back to the office more than fathers that want to escape their wifes and children.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by t43562 »

My company cannot afford to demand that we are in-office. We aren't super-rich and cannot afford planet-busting salaries. So to get people we have to cast a wide net. We get people in other cities. Part of our team is in India anyhow.

Overall it just doesn't make sense to have millions of people moving around twice a day who don't need to and this will take over. COVID made it much clearer but it's obvious anyhow.

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