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> ...or any manual process to monitor or copy the content contained in any online services" So, not allowed to use Ctrl+C on their website?
You're not allowed to write things down on a notebook using a pencil.
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One of the biggest problems is Canada is the assumption of country wide immunity from systemic issues because "it's worse in the States". This prevents lots of real change from happening and allows lots of really bad laws to exist.
I am Canadian, living in Canada and I really hate this. We constantly compare ourselves to the States. Why can't we compare to a country more with aspiring to? Like one of the Nordics?
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Drug dogs are basically a override-the-law get you into jail free card, and any system that allows them as evidence of probable cause basically does not require probable cause. Police dogs manufacturing search warrants is more of an American problem than a Canadian problem. You might have more rights on paper in the US, but in many respects, you have more of them in practice in Canada. The letter of the law matters…
> You might have more rights on paper in the US, but in many respects, you have more of them in practice in Canada. Generally speaking in the US, the rights you have in practice (as opposed to on paper) are determined by how wealthy you are. Much like how we have the best health care in the world if you're wealthy, but the worst (among wealthy nations) if you aren't.
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#184Canadian here. Thank you for sharing your Terms of Service. I don't agree to them. Thus, I wish to opt out of your Tax Revenue Collection Service. M'kay?
You don't need a computer to file your taxes. Paper kits are provided by CRA and declarations can be submitted on paper by mail. Potential use cases being technology illiteracy, access to reliable internet connections just to name a few . https://www.canada.ca/fr/agence-revenu/services/formulaires-...
I say this because the My Account service allows a Canadian to check their balance, payments, credits, filing status, etc. It's there for anyone, ready to go, with whatever information the CRA has stocked it with. Your information, even if it started out on paper. It's pretty inconceivable that the CRA could function if the paper filings didn't soon end up in the same database as the e-filings.
Anyways, then at that point, your paper personal data is sitting right there behind the login of that same CRA site we're talking about. For your future convenience. Or leaking. Or hacking. And then we're back to ... "in the event of such occurrences, the Canada Revenue Agency is not responsible for any damages you may experience as a result."
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is for sure suboptimal, but it is not necessarily representative of most Canadians’ experiences.
Why does that matter? The point is that it can happen and it's normal enough that the principal just did it and the police just followed up, no questions asked no eyebrows batted. That it's hidden enough is worse, not better for Canada, if it was outrageous there would be outrage and everyone would know - but nobody cares.
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#186I doubt anyone gets fired or fined for making ToS that would never hold up in a court. The opposite seems true though: any legal department will write N things even if half of them aren't enforceable because it doesn't hurt (more than being ridiculed on HN, or by a court). Not sure what would be the best way of getting rid of "legal fluff" though. I imagine it costs quite a lot to society to have to sift through page…
This is the reason I think that for any of those ToS if it turns out that any provision in them is unenforceable it should be that the whole ToS automatically becomes unenforceable.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the government is financed by taxpayers, so the taxpayers will end up being the payers of any fines the government is liable for. It's circular.
Only if all taxpayers get an equal settlement. And even then perhaps that money would have been spent on another group: “sorry no fighter jets this year money went privacy lawsuits”. So some taxpayers could come out ahead in the event of privacy lawsuits.
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Canadians would throw a fit about it though. Government employees earning over 100K triggers a lot of people.
For good reason. I live in Ottawa and interact with a good many government workers that aren't shy about how little work they do. I'm not convinced increasing comp is going to somehow motivate these folks into greater productivity.
Increased comp isn't to motivate current people. It is so you aren't only hiring people at the level of skill and motivation as the current people.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need a computer to file your taxes. Paper kits are provided by CRA and declarations can be submitted on paper by mail. Potential use cases being technology illiteracy, access to reliable internet connections just to name a few . https://www.canada.ca/fr/agence-revenu/services/formulaires-...
I'll go out on a limb here ... tell me if you disagree ... that if you file your taxes on paper, all that personal information will be quickly scanned and available in a database. The database of the site in question. I say this because the My Account service allows a Canadian to check their balance, payments, credits, filing status, etc. It's there for anyone, ready to go, with whatever information the CRA has stock…
In return for the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) giving you access to My Account, you agree to abide by the following terms and conditions of use for this and all future uses of My Account:
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/e-services/...
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to compare to other countries; there's a big difference simply compared to other provinces. Here's my own anecdata: I lived in Ontario where insurance was easy. A variety of private companies offered competitive rates, and I renewed every year by simply phoning my insurer or broker and giving them my credit card number. When I moved to BC, my rate didn't change by much. But the rest of the experience g…
My experience has been the opposite. I’m generally happier here with auto insurance than I was in Ontario. Regarding the ICBC add-on for US liability… aren’t all ICBC policies exclusively sold by independent brokers? If true then wouldn’t that have been an independent broker who was mistaken and ICBC proper cleared it up?