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Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by goosedragons »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #88
goosedragons wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they might still "email" any reassessment or whatever to your account if you setup paperless beforehand..

Generally the CRA will only email a notice that there is a new message waiting for you on their site; you have to log in to their site to access the message. As far as security practices go, I won't complain about that.

Yeah, thats why I had email in quotes. Could have been more clear I guess. Still a problem that you need to accept their TOS to see if they decided you owe money.

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by grecy »

cbron wrote: post #50
beached_whale wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has CBP checks on roads, doesn’t it?

Yes, but very limited. They are only allowed to ask "are you a US citizen", and walk a dog around the car. I've never had one take more than 60 seconds in either AZ or CA.

> I've never had one take more than 60 seconds

In Australia I've been stopped many dozens of times for a "random breath test" where they stop every car and make you blow into the device to check blood alcohol.

I've never had one take more than 30 seconds.

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by selimthegrim »

chucksmash wrote: post #27
posguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal structures and especially state or state sponsored entities in Canada work much differently than in the US. The ICBC has a literal state sponsored monopoly over car insurance, titling a vehicle and driver licensing, whereas in the US no state handles car insurance, while titling a vehicle and driver licensing are not necessarily the same state organizations. This state sponsored vertical integration enables abu…

> The DUI checkpoints up in BC are wild too, I'm glad they are banned in Washington and Oregon. Suspicionless stopping of cars en masse followed by interrogation by police seems like an overreach. I was just wondering about these (in the US) the other day. When I was growing up, I seem to remember them being a thing and going through them as a passenger but in 20+ years of driving, including on NYE/July 4 and late at…

Louisiana (New Orleans at least)

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by noarchy »

robotnikman wrote: post #31
originalcopying wrote: post #19

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I clicked > https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/xa9j3x/church_ to get > Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/nottheonion.

Gotta love the overzealous powermods of Reddit...

>Gotta love the overzealous powermods of Reddit...

If you think that about reddit mods, I can only imagine how you feel about HN.

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by slickrick216 »

nickff wrote: post #83
slickrick216 wrote: post #76

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Yeah like you say this isn’t a new phenomenon. In some cases they even try to shield themselves with legislation. For example let’s look at Ireland. [0] Ireland tries to exclude itself from GDPR https://www.thejournal.ie/data-protection-bill-2018-3853647-... [1] Entire health system compromised and possibly majority of PHI data exfiltrated https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/publications/conti-cyber-att... [2] Irish heal…

Re: [0] My understanding is that member states (and perhaps all sovereigns) are not required to comply with GDPR unless they explicitly choose to.

Yes somewhat correct. That is for operations of critical public services such as civil registries. This was several steps beyond that. There was other reporting on this as well.

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by pcthrowaway »

stewx wrote: post #6

> 10. The Canada Revenue Agency has taken all reasonable steps to ensure the security of this Web site. We have used sophisticated encryption technology and incorporated other procedures to protect your personal information at all times. However, the Internet is a public network and there is the remote possibility of data security violations. In the event of such occurrences, the Canada Revenue Agency is not responsi…

> If you climb aboard a rollercoaster that hasn't seen any maintenance in 20 years and you get decapitated, I'm pretty sure the park is still legally responsible

> "any script, robot, spider, Web crawler, screen scraper, automated query program or other automated device or any manual process to monitor or copy the content contained in any online services"

But the CRA already anticipated this and explicitly disallowed headless clients

Re: Canada's tax revenue agency tries to ToS itself out of hacking liability

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Post by preinheimer »

matbilodeau wrote: post #75

Fortunately, contracts in Quebec are dependent of the Civil Code. Terms of service match the definition of a contract. I am eager to see if such practices by any level of government will pass the test of tribunals and current jurisprudence. Excerpts : 1458 Every person has a duty to honour his contractual undertakings. Where he fails in this duty, he is liable for any bodily, moral or material injury he causes to the…

People in Quebec deal with Revenue Quebec for both provincial and federal taxes, the CRA website won’t affect them.

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Post by megablast »

InitialLastName wrote: post #60
Jensson wrote: post #58

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But that basic insurance is extremely overpriced compared to similar insurances in other countries, and it is mandatory so you have to pay it.

If it's overpriced (relative to payouts) and the funds get returned to the population at large (through public services and mitigation of indirect damage caused by drivers) then that sounds like a very effective way to get drivers to pay for their externalized costs (in a way that other countries' privatized, profit-limited insurance schemes doesn't afford).

> then that sounds like a very effective way to get drivers to pay for their externalized costs

It is a start. But there is one guarantee, driver hate paying for what they use.

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

preinheimer wrote: post #98
matbilodeau wrote: post #75

Fortunately, contracts in Quebec are dependent of the Civil Code. Terms of service match the definition of a contract. I am eager to see if such practices by any level of government will pass the test of tribunals and current jurisprudence. Excerpts : 1458 Every person has a duty to honour his contractual undertakings. Where he fails in this duty, he is liable for any bodily, moral or material injury he causes to the…

People in Quebec deal with Revenue Quebec for both provincial and federal taxes, the CRA website won’t affect them.

I'm fairly confident that we deal with both here. They are totally separate entities and they don't even talk to each other. We get 2x the papers (R1 and T4), and we file separately with each. It's possible to get a refund cheque from one and still owe the the other.

But forget the CRA, ask me about how mine and many other peoples drivers licenses were suspended for weeks because the SAAQ totally fucked a software migration.

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