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Re: The apps that Americans search to “delete” the most

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Post by nailer »

jstarfish wrote: post #290
nailer wrote: post #287

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> forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. Psychologically abusing someone does not involve the use of force. > Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member. Agreed, thankfully nobody defined in the conversation defined domestic violence this way. Again: domestic violence most include violence, i.e. the use of for…

> Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed. The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines…

Repeating for a third time so you can hopefully read it and actually respond when you hit ‘reply’:

Claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence

I’m not responsible for all of humanity: you should want a clear definition and separation of violent and non violent abuse so why don’t you handle this yourself rather than asking me?

“get with the times” is ridiculous. vague legislation is bad whether it’s new or old. Likewise a lot of progress has obviously been bad much like other progress has been good.

I’m actually not really interested in your replies any more, since you’re not actually responding.

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Post by loeg »

bmarquez wrote: post #51
dangerboysteve wrote: post #26

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I don't believe this for a second.

I think it's highly dependent on the user. A technically inclined HN user probably knows people who shifted to a tech Mastodon instance (like infosec.exchange). As a personal anecdote, the people I know who cut back on Twitter did so long before Musk due to general social media burnout.

Quite a lot of my feed was Popehat, Tqbf, and Mjg59, who have all left the platform (more or less). Also a handful of low volume, personal friends went to Mastodon or retired from the platform.

Re: The apps that Americans search to “delete” the most

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Post by thiht »

nailer wrote: post #291
jstarfish wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed. The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines…

Repeating for a third time so you can hopefully read it and actually respond when you hit ‘reply’: Claiming things that aren’t violent are violent steals resources - not just awareness but potentially money, police time and medical attention from victims of domestic violence I’m not responsible for all of humanity: you should want a clear definition and separation of violent and non violent abuse so why don’t you han…

Victims of non physical domestic violence also need money, police time, and medical attention (yes, they do!). So I'd argue that widening the definition of domestic violence actually increases the visibility of the cause. More people are concerned, directly or indirectly.

> “get with the times” is ridiculous

It's not. Language changes all the time for better or worse, and trying to change it back is just not possible. You're wasting your time if you're trying to make your definition the correct one instead of the one that's widely accepted, even if your definition made more sense (I don't have an opinion on that).

Language is a reflection of society, and whether you want it or not, society has decided that physical domestic violence and non-physical domestic violence are the same thing, which we call domestic violence. You can fight words or fight for a cause, your choice.

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Post by mock-possum »

burnished wrote: post #103
mock-possum wrote: post #83

Wait - > We looked into the top 30 most popular apps people most want to delete in the United States by delving into regional search volumes for “delete” and “deactivate” apps/accounts by each state. They’re not going off of actual app deletion or account deactivation data… they’re going off of how often people search for how to do it? Here’s the thing - if I want to ‘delete Facebook’ then I’ll do it - there’s no sea…

Wait, you think you stop having a facebook account by deleting the app on your phone? Probably shouldnt be calling other people tech illiterate tbh

I guess it depends on what you mean by “delete facebook” then doesn’t it.

Deleting an app is deleting an app. Deleting your account with a company is something different. You could keep the app installed on your phone, but delete your account.

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Post by andrepd »

Zak wrote: post #165
jvm___ wrote: post #151

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All the ideas that the world will be perfect if you would just think thoughts like these... "manifest what you want from the world" and "think positive thoughts and everything will be ok" Is actually kind of true when you think about all the algorithms that run social media. If you only ever search for cats and scroll past anything political, the algorithms will learn what you like and feed you more cats. So, if you'…

Youtube occasionally, but regularly tries to show me culture war content even though I never watch it and usually tell it "don't recommend this".

I watched a funny video of the President of my country mis-pronouncing a word in English. The recommended videos afterward were comprised ENTIRELY of the local far-right party's propaganda.

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Post by standardUser »

tristor wrote: post #289
standardUser wrote: post #202

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I'm not going to feign surprise that there is no shortage of young, white, straight men with engineering degrees that either don't care or can't comprehend that they are contributing to a mental health crisis in exchange for $250k/yr.

The majority of people in engineering roles in the tech industry aren't white, engineering in tech is now a heavily East Asian/South Asian dominated segment of the industry, especially in the tech companies that are producing these things. Young, definitely, straight probably, men mostly, but not so much white. All of those things likely don't matter, what matters is $250k/yr puts you in the top 5% of earners in the…

Race, gender and other factors are always relevant. But thanks for the lecture pops.

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Post by tristor »

standardUser wrote: post #297
tristor wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people in engineering roles in the tech industry aren't white, engineering in tech is now a heavily East Asian/South Asian dominated segment of the industry, especially in the tech companies that are producing these things. Young, definitely, straight probably, men mostly, but not so much white. All of those things likely don't matter, what matters is $250k/yr puts you in the top 5% of earners in the…

Race, gender and other factors are always relevant. But thanks for the lecture pops.

All available evidence indicates socioeconomics trumps demographics every time. The issue you're describing is because people are being paid large sums of money (relative to the rest of global society) to do work that is bad for the rest of society. It wouldn't matter if they were purple aliens with no genitalia, they're being paid to do a job that is a net negative for society, and the pay for that job is significantly higher than their alternatives.

Maybe stop trying to make everything about identity politics, especially in a conversation where there's actually important political issues at hand that impact everyone globally?

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Post by twobitshifter »

nobody9999 wrote: post #188
twobitshifter wrote: post #120

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If you’re on Android Facebook and Instagram can be installed by manufacturers with no option to delete.

>If you’re on Android Facebook and Instagram can be installed by manufacturers with no option to delete. Which OEMs do that? I haven't seen that from HTC, Motorola or Google. Not being snarky here. I'd like to know who actually does so. Allowing me to avoid them in the future[0]. [0] I'd note that LineageOS[1] doesn't do that either. I highly recommend it! [1] https://lineageos.org/

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/facebook-samsung-cant-de...

Samsung for one.

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Post by neura »

jstarfish wrote: post #290
nailer wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> forcibly interfering with personal freedom. Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. Psychologically abusing someone does not involve the use of force. > Domestic violence comprises more than just battery by someone who happens to be a family member. Agreed, thankfully nobody defined in the conversation defined domestic violence this way. Again: domestic violence most include violence, i.e. the use of for…

> Forcibly. If there's no force there's no violence. I get where you're coming from but enough men figured out that when wife-beating became illegal, they could continue to torment their wives and exes through passive-aggressive, explicitly nonviolent acts enough that the laws were expanded and the definition changed. The redefinition happened at least 20 years ago and has since propagated across multiple disciplines…

This is a far stretch in trying to hang on to the last thread of the definition of violence.

Why can't you just use the term "domestic abuse" and stop supporting the misuse of well defined words?

Do you think that if you and others use the term "domestic violence" to include non-physical abuse that it just magically changes the existing definition? Why would you even want to support that when there's clearly another term that's both in general use and clearly fits what you're attempting to refer to, by definition?

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