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Why Poverty Persists in America

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Re: Why Poverty Persists in America

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Poverty in this context is the lack of financial mobility within a given economic body. If some people starve while others don't because they can't afford the food, that's a socially instituted poverty. Starvation that is equally suffered because there IS no food isn't the kind of poverty being discussed in the article. It's a lack of necessary resources suffered equally independent of financial mobility. We can argu…

This is a silly distinction. All things being equal most would probably prefer the poverty in modern day America to the "Equal" poverty of preindustrial experience. The real reason people get upset about modern poverty is because it's an example of inequality. So sure, let's try to ameliorate and address inequality where possible. But under no circumstances should we try to do so by reducing total progress and wealth…

> But under no circumstances should we try to do so by reducing total progress and wealth on the planet.

Sure, a tiny pie divided equally is inferior to a large pie divided unequally but so that everybody gets a much larger piece.

But that's not absolute. Inequality has significant moral and psychological effects, so yes it is worth shrinking the pie slightly if that's what is required to divide it up more equally.

It's a balance - strive for both progress and fairness, not for one at the expense of the other.

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>If you ask your coworker today, how many shootings were there in Chicago last weekend, unless you live in or near Chicago, they will be shocked that there were 17 shootings and 4 homicides just over the weekend. Would they? Literally everyone who reads the news knows Chicago has a lot of shootings. This sounds like something you made up to drive a narrative rather than basing it in truth. > think if enough money is…

> Can you point to a very poor place that is safe due to the police? Most rural areas are generally quite safe and their police are very powerful in the community.

From 2016 to 2020 the two counties with the highest gun homicide rates were Phillips County, AR and Lowndes County, AL, both rural.

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The usps is the only well functioning government organization left and Republicans are set on kneecapping it so they can privatize it

You're forgetting the NIST. They operate at a net profit, selling things like Standard Jars of Peanut Butter for equipment calibration ($1,069 per unit). There's a cool Veritasium video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esQyYGezS7c

Close! NIST is under the Department of Commerce. They do operate with net profit (or attempt to do so). My understanding is USCIS is set up similarly for immigrant benefit processing.

Re: Why Poverty Persists in America

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> Can you point to a very poor place that is safe due to the police? Most rural areas are generally quite safe and their police are very powerful in the community.

From 2016 to 2020 the two counties with the highest gun homicide rates were Phillips County, AR and Lowndes County, AL, both rural.

Assuming you know how statistics work, one shooting in a county with 50 people will skew the stats. But spend some time in your average rural area and then in Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and compare notes. And no, not the trendy 2 block area with the breweries, the area where people actually live.

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From 2016 to 2020 the two counties with the highest gun homicide rates were Phillips County, AR and Lowndes County, AL, both rural.

Assuming you know how statistics work, one shooting in a county with 50 people will skew the stats. But spend some time in your average rural area and then in Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and compare notes. And no, not the trendy 2 block area with the breweries, the area where people actually live.

What stat can you possibly use to quantify your argument that shouldn’t be a per capita stat?

And for what it’s worth Phillips County was averaging 8 gun deaths a year across that time period for a place that has less than 20k people. That’s a shocking stat even with “small” numbers.

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Despite absolute dollars per person spending increasing since the Reagan years, Americans remain in poverty because: 1. Raising health care costs 2. Very little poverty spending actually goes to the recipients' pockets 3. Decline of union membership 4. Home ownership is out of reach and the rent is too damn high 5. Banking is expensive for poor people Most of these issues can be traced back to corporate lobbying. The…

All True, but I think there is "one item that rules the all" :) Exploitation. Our economic system is based on exploiting other people. We "had" the worst kind, slavery along with colonialism. Then we slowly moved to a combination of "unlivable" Wages and Undocumented Workers. This allows the well off to live the good life. With the issues we are having now, we may need to move to a different system, but witch one ? U…

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Re: Why Poverty Persists in America

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Assuming you know how statistics work, one shooting in a county with 50 people will skew the stats. But spend some time in your average rural area and then in Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and compare notes. And no, not the trendy 2 block area with the breweries, the area where people actually live.

What stat can you possibly use to quantify your argument that shouldn’t be a per capita stat? And for what it’s worth Phillips County was averaging 8 gun deaths a year across that time period for a place that has less than 20k people. That’s a shocking stat even with “small” numbers.

It's simple, Detroit has been one of the top cities for murders rate for over 50 years straight. A shooting in a random year will not produce an anomaly there like some random county one year that has a shooting.

You're trying to take a small sample size as if it means something. And yet where would you rather be caught at with no phone and no car, some small town or the east side of Detroit?

I do find it interesting that you used a predominantly black rural area hoping it would prove a different point though.

Re: Why Poverty Persists in America

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What stat can you possibly use to quantify your argument that shouldn’t be a per capita stat? And for what it’s worth Phillips County was averaging 8 gun deaths a year across that time period for a place that has less than 20k people. That’s a shocking stat even with “small” numbers.

It's simple, Detroit has been one of the top cities for murders rate for over 50 years straight. A shooting in a random year will not produce an anomaly there like some random county one year that has a shooting. You're trying to take a small sample size as if it means something. And yet where would you rather be caught at with no phone and no car, some small town or the east side of Detroit? I do find it interesting…

> Detroit has been one of the top cities for murder rate for over 50 years straight

How does that relate statistically to urban vs rural crime rates? You didn’t make an argument about Detroit. You made one about rural vs city generally.

> where would you rather be caught

When I was 13 years old I witnessed 2 teenagers being assaulted by a crowd of adults with firearms in a rural location while working on a farm for the summer. I’ve never experienced anything scarier since. I don’t extrapolate that experience out to all rural locations though so I’m not sure. I think urban just for the transportation options.

> you used a predominantly black rural area

I didn’t. Tptacek did. I just looked up their stats to see if it was an obvious anomaly. It wasn’t.

You also didn’t make a point about race. Your point was about rural vs urban. Perhaps you’d like to make a further point?

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It's simple, Detroit has been one of the top cities for murders rate for over 50 years straight. A shooting in a random year will not produce an anomaly there like some random county one year that has a shooting. You're trying to take a small sample size as if it means something. And yet where would you rather be caught at with no phone and no car, some small town or the east side of Detroit? I do find it interesting…

> Detroit has been one of the top cities for murder rate for over 50 years straight How does that relate statistically to urban vs rural crime rates? You didn’t make an argument about Detroit. You made one about rural vs city generally. > where would you rather be caught When I was 13 years old I witnessed 2 teenagers being assaulted by a crowd of adults with firearms in a rural location while working on a farm for t…

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> Detroit has been one of the top cities for murder rate for over 50 years straight How does that relate statistically to urban vs rural crime rates? You didn’t make an argument about Detroit. You made one about rural vs city generally. > where would you rather be caught When I was 13 years old I witnessed 2 teenagers being assaulted by a crowd of adults with firearms in a rural location while working on a farm for t…

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