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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook »

freeplay wrote: post #115

Widevine has been privately cracked/bypassed. The method hasn't been made public as it would obviously get patched rather quickly (if it even can be patched). That's why Netflix content is available almost immediately on any decent tracker. The quality would not look nearly as good if it was grabbed using a capture card. Like others have mentioned, it's security theater for the content owners who most likely require…

Just because piracy is possible doesn’t mean they should make it as easy as it can be for users.

There’s value in even minor hurdles.

They clear think it’s worth it.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook »

Gigachad wrote: post #164
favorited wrote: post #130

> Addendum: The EME API is a good thing! (kinda) Hard agree. There was so much nerdrage when the EME was being considered for standardization, as if by not standardizing an API we'd be preventing DRM from existing. People acted like Tim Berners-Lee was stabbing the collective internet in the back when he endorsed it. The choice was between a standardized web-based DRM, or a wild west of incompatible proprietary DRM.…

There is also the opinion that having a Wild West of incompatible proprietary garbage would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users. Of course some stuff would still have it, but less would than the current state where it’s easy and invisible to users until you hit an unsupported system.

> …would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users.

I agree. But that wouldn’t lead to more content freely available. It would lead to more content being locked in apps and unavailable in the browser.

Do you think they would’ve made an app for Linux? I don’t.

The dream that all content be available DRM free isn’t happening any time soon. Rights holders clearly don’t want it and I don’t think anyone could marshal a big enough boycott to change that.

So the choice is DRM or no content at all. Given that EME is a good outcome.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by FromTheSteppe »

nl wrote: post #167
torified wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Piracy is so easy. Go to torrent site, download torrent, click on file. It really couldn't be easier. There's no DRM on the torrent. If you have a semi-modern GPU you can play any codec you might download. I'm really not sure what you're talking about, unless you're going to some weird torrent site. Piracy has a great user experience compared to paying for DRM and having to use a particular app instead of your…

I almost wrote "just wait for people to say 'no it's easy'" but I thought surely we are over that now. I want to watch The Climb 2023 S01E01. I Google "The Climb 2023 S01E01 torrent" First result is www.stagatv.com/series/the-climb-s01 (not linking because it is spam) Hmm nothing else useful on the first page except this: In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.…

I could connect to my Iranian VPN which it's VPS I bought through portals available in English, type "The Climb 2023 دانلود", Click on first google Link and use google translate to find the download link in the page. Or use private trackers like IPTorrent or TorrentLeech through leecher (torrent to direct link) providers available in said countries. Will probably work on any other country/language combo with out copyrights law.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook »

Havoc wrote: post #122

Many judge success on this by "do i get 1080". I've found this to be incredibly deceptive for nix and DRM on netflix. My experience has been that even managing 1080 on a nix platform the experienced quality is substantially worse. Thoughout I was going insane, but checked bitrate and sure enough netflix at 1080 was streaming at much lower rate than on windows 1080.

The article mentions there are three levels of Widevine DRM. I wonder if the level available to Linux (three) not only limits resolution but bitrate, at least as far as what Netflix is willing to serve.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

MBCook wrote: post #172
Gigachad wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also the opinion that having a Wild West of incompatible proprietary garbage would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users. Of course some stuff would still have it, but less would than the current state where it’s easy and invisible to users until you hit an unsupported system.

> …would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users. I agree. But that wouldn’t lead to more content freely available. It would lead to more content being locked in apps and unavailable in the browser. Do you think they would’ve made an app for Linux? I don’t. The dream that all content be available DRM free isn’t happening any time soon. Rights holders clearly don’t want it and I…

It happened for music!

I wonder why.

But it makes music the one digital good I don't torrent on the reg cuz it's easier to just search it up on Amazon than on some torrent site. (The one weird exception is discographies, since they don't sell those for some reason. For them, archivists' torrents got you covered.)

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #175
MBCook wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> …would result in DRM being less popular because it caused too much friction for users. I agree. But that wouldn’t lead to more content freely available. It would lead to more content being locked in apps and unavailable in the browser. Do you think they would’ve made an app for Linux? I don’t. The dream that all content be available DRM free isn’t happening any time soon. Rights holders clearly don’t want it and I…

It happened for music! I wonder why. But it makes music the one digital good I don't torrent on the reg cuz it's easier to just search it up on Amazon than on some torrent site. (The one weird exception is discographies, since they don't sell those for some reason. For them, archivists' torrents got you covered.)

Yes but the music industry was willing. I don’t see that in video.

If anything the video industry appears to have “learned the lesson“ of the “screw ups“ of the music industry.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Zuiii »

MBCook wrote: post #170
depressedpanda wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, the extra "protection" is worthless.

It’s not. It’s enough to deter casual piracy. There is some value in that. If you could just right click and choose “download” for any Netflix original don’t you think that would be a problem for them?

> It’s not. It’s enough to deter casual piracy. There is some value in that.

Casual pirates wouldn't bother right-clicking in the first place unless it's to store a local copy that they won't even know how to share effectively (since they're casual).

The only thing DRM achieves for netflix is deterring new customers and hurting existing ones.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by musicale »

ben174 wrote: post #165
depressedpanda wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, the extra "protection" is worthless.

It's not worthless though, because if it didn't exist - some browser extension would appear the next day which adds a nice little download right next to the play button.

> a nice little download right next to the play button

This is obviously what we would actually want.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by safety1st »

reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

IIRC, the reason for incorporating DRM was that the major studios wouldn't license anything to them if they didn't.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Zuiii »

dtx1 wrote: post #138

As a linux user i skimmed the page and realized about half way through that i'll just pirate stuff anyway and never deal with that kind of bs.

Piracy is increasingly becoming the ONLY option for many people. It's fascinating how this industry became it's own worst enemy.
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